Which rally should they add to the WRC-calendar?

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29th April 2013, 19:05
trickydicky

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

Are you on drugs? What Rally's Classic Location are you talking about? Alsace? Proudly traditional since... 2010! Come on, don't be stupid!

Anyway, Brazil is one of the most fast-growing markets in the WORLD. It's not coincidence is F1 is trying to keep the race in, although in a old-crappy circuit. Furthermore, X Games has invested quite a lot of money there for not a properly remarkable event, but many sponsors found a wide place to sell their products, so it's "ok". At the moment, Brazil has the WORLD'S MOST expensive investments in place from the Government: motorways, airports, stadiums, entire downtowns for World Cup and Olympics. It's not just Volkswagen affair, as ALL conglomerates decided to open plants, etc.

San Remo
29th April 2013, 19:17
Motorsportfun

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

San Remo

Again? San Remo doesn't have roads that fits actual safety requests for WRC. Don't let me write same things since years...
:talk: :talk: :talk:

Anyway, I'm talking about the Country. We have lots of fast and flowing gravel roads in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna coasts, close to Rimini/Ravenna. No worry about that, we don't have gravel roads just in Sardinia. You know, San Marino Rally in ERC and there's a good "hub" for Rally HQ and maybe a Superspecial: Misano World Circuit... what else?

P.S.: waiting an answer for Brazil...
29th April 2013, 19:30
trickydicky

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

Again? San Remo doesn't have roads that fits actual safety requests for WRC. Don't let me write same things since years...
:talk: :talk: :talk:

Anyway, I'm talking about the Country. We have lots of fast and flowing gravel roads in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna coasts, close to Rimini/Ravenna. No worry about that, we don't have gravel roads just in Sardinia. You know, San Marino Rally in ERC and there's a good "hub" for Rally HQ and maybe a Superspecial: Misano World Circuit... what else?

P.S.: waiting an answer for Brazil...

To be honest I'm not really sure what you are going on about. By San Remo I mean the rally that used to take part in most of Northern Italy and was based in San Remo. The cruddy little version of the early 00's is not my cup of tea. What I would want would be Tarmac stages around San Remo on day/evening one, Tuscan dirt roads day 2/3 and tar again to finish off. If it was all on gravel, all in Tuscany/Emilia Romagna and called 'The Rally of Italy' that would do me, or if an alternative base was needed, that's fine too. What I meant was it is preferable to have the classic stages, in the classic places with lost of fans, rather than on an island away from the fans to please a few cash happy Qatari princes. Have a look at some old San Remo rally's on Youtube, educate yourself.

None of your points on Brazil interest me in the slightest. So the Brazilian government has loads of cash, maybe they should spend some so that the people who live in their cities have somewhere clean to live, or on tackling their crime problems, rather than on attracting glitzy sporting events to make them look good. I don't see why having a load of new airports and motorways is so great either, unless you want drag race special stages down motorways and runways? Brazilians are not intersted, there would be no-one watching and it would cost a fortune to get to, it all seems pointless to me. If Brazilian companies want to sponsor a team, they can crack on, but they don't deserve a round on the basis of what you have said.
29th April 2013, 19:42
Motorsportfun

^^

Let me say you couldn't be employed as a CEO in any important company, IMHO. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

As I told you, Sanremo tarmac roads can't be used anymore. Too much requests from FIA (safety areas, alternative roads, exclusive media access, etc.) to get enough roads available for a WRC loop... :)
29th April 2013, 19:46
trickydicky

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

^^

Let me say you couldn't be employed as a CEO in any important company, IMHO. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

As I told you, Sanremo tarmac roads can't be used anymore. Too much requests from FIA (safety areas, alternative roads, exclusive media access, etc.) to get enough roads available for a WRC loop... :)

That's fine by me, I would never want to be.

Whatever exclusive media access is sounds like something that could be done away with, but for me the best part of the San Remo were the gravel roads anyway, and if Germany is too close to Alsace then San Remo and Monte Carlo aren't a million miles apart either.
29th April 2013, 19:48
trickydicky

Coldirodi, Ronde and Colle Langan were all in the IRC San Remo last year, so that makes me think they are perfectly viable for a WRC event, regardless of the FIA's current requirements, and therefore the old San Remo format is still something that could be done.
29th April 2013, 21:19
Motorsportfun

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

That's fine by me, I would never want to be.

Whatever exclusive media access is sounds like something that could be done away with, but for me the best part of the San Remo were the gravel roads anyway, and if Germany is too close to Alsace then San Remo and Monte Carlo aren't a million miles apart either.

ACM would NEVER share the organization of a WRC event. They fund and run alone their event and don't want anyone else with them. That's clear. Also is clear that political status in WRC between ACM and FIA is different than Italian ASN and FIA. Many "ratifications" on the route were approved in Monte, but not in Italy. Different views in Paris... :)

But these are too-much technical arguments that doesn't fit to this forum. Let's continue discuting...
29th April 2013, 21:28
Motorsportfun

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Originally Posted by trickydicky

Coldirodi, Ronde and Colle Langan were all in the IRC San Remo last year, so that makes me think they are perfectly viable for a WRC event, regardless of the FIA's current requirements, and therefore the old San Remo format is still something that could be done.

IRC attracted about 8-times less people than last WRC run in 2003, on the the same roads. Quite different organization approach, isn't it? As I saw many hairpins with lots of spectators in the outer side of its, due to the lack of safer spectators areas. Although rally organizers tried to dissuade fans to come in...

If is not Sardinia, we all have to consider Tuscany or Emilia-Romagna/Marche as alternative areas. San Remo doesn't fix actual WRC standards anymore. So, please resign yourself to that.
29th April 2013, 22:32
sollitt

I see that the Tuscan Rewind has had to cancel the stages around Chianti area due to resident issues. Is that an indication that gravel roads are becoming harder to secure on the mainland?

Trickydicky, you're right on the money with your comments regards a WRC round in Brasil. It would make a nonsense to run a round there. Size of car market is irrelevant.
30th April 2013, 18:56
trickydicky

I thought of a way of bypassing the problem of how to have a 14 round WRC and please the marketing departments of car manufacturers, Malcolm Wilson, normal rally fans and traditionalists. I decided the best solution would be to have two separate championships; one called the 'Global Marketing Bandwagon' and one called the 'World Rally Championship'. The former would be for whichever car manufacturers wanted to take part with purpose built prototypes based on super-minis, and the latter for private entrants in modified 2wd road cars of any type. I have even thought of calendars for each.

GMB:
1: Norway. A snow rally of around 250km.
2. Mexico. Large growing car market, lots of people, keen government, plenty of sponsors.
3. Brazil. See above and then add some. One stage could be a drag race down one of their new motorways past an airport, so as to showcase the country's steadily improving infrastructure.
4. USA. Could be held at the same time as the Pikes Peak hill climb, one stage up and one back down, short enough to fit in one TV show.
5. Turkey. Massive country, massive population, plenty of folk to sell cars to.
6. Italy. Could be held in Sardinia as an act of good will towards our Qatari friends to encourage them to open their wallets a little further.
7. Qatar. Might as well have one there too. It would all be paid for, obvs.
8. Abu Dhabi/Dubai. I can't tell them apart so either would do.
9. Jordan. The king there seems keen and isn't short of cash.
10. China. Somewhere near Shanghai, on featureless gravel roads in front of no spectators other than government employees paid to go there for the day. Entirely state funded.
11. Indonesia. Massive population of potential car buyers.
12. India. See above.
13. Russia. See above. Apparently has more billionaires than anywhere else, so good sense says we should go, and its not as if they are short of countryside, or forests either. But to save cost we'd keep it to 100km.
14. Wales Rally Wales. Based in Cardiff and held in Margam, Resolfen and Port Talbot forests. 3 stages repeated four times each past strategically placed 'visit Wales' banners. Ceremonial duties undertaken by Tom Jones.

WRC:
1. Monte Carlo. 3 legs. The first one from Aix les Baines to Monte Carlo, the second from Monte Carlo up to Gap, through the Ardeche and bag to Monte Carlo. Leg 3 'la nuit du Turini'.
2. Sweden. Based in Karlstad, held in Varmland forests, hopefully on snow, fairly quick and a sprint event in nature.
3. Portugal. Held on roads in the hills north of Lisbon, including Fafe and Arganil. Last leg at night on tarmac roads around Sintra.
4. Safari. 'Open road' event in Kenya, Mombasa to Nairobi and back, at Easter.
5. Tour de Corse. 24 hour event, starting at lunchtime on Saturday, leg 1 from Ajaccio to Bastia through the mountains, time for a shower and a coffee in Bastia, leg two along the coast between Bastia and Ajaccio.
6. Acropolis. Based in Athens, held over northern and western Greece, very rough stages, very hot, about 1000km long.
7. Argentina. Based in Cordoba, would be close to 1000km in length and have very long stages.
8. New Zealand. Held on sweeping Gravel roads on North Island.
9. 1000 lakes. Sprint event of 400km or so held on fast gravel roads in central Finland. Much as it has always been.
10. Australia. Preferably in Perth with a leg in the Bunnings complex.
11. San Remo. Based in said town. First leg at night on tar in mountains near San Remo. Leg two on gravel in Tuscan area, then back over the passes to San Remo.
12. Catalunya. Would have to have that stage under the flyover, it looks good.
13. 'RAC' Rally. 4 day event in November. Spectator stages on first day. Then 3 days and nights near on non stop through various forests in northern England, Scotland and northern Wales.
14. Morocco. Held on fast, rough gravel and sand roads, over 1000km, car breaker.

I'd bet one would last longer and attract more fans than the other!

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