2012 Canadian Grand Prix Thread

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Originally Posted by henners88

Hamilton was all over the back of Alonso through sector 2 and the chicane before the DRS zone however. It was clear to any observer that Lewis was close enough to make a pass stick even without the aid. Fresher tyres were more of a factor leading up to the pass IMO.

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Hamilton got into the lead in the first place after the pitstops thanks to DRS - had it not been used, Alonso's tyres would have been up to temperature and Hamilton would've had to battle past Alonso for laps in order to make the two-stopper work. So DRS arguably enabled Hamilton's strategy to work, both times without any sort of quality battle between world class drivers.

Murray Walker used to say "Catching a driver is one thing, but passing him is quite another". Here it was one in the same, not allowing for any defensive driving or daring overtakes.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Hamilton got into the lead in the first place after the pitstops thanks to DRS - had it not been used, Alonso's tyres would have been up to temperature and Hamilton would've had to battle past Alonso for laps in order to make the two-stopper work. So DRS arguably enabled Hamilton's strategy to work, both times without any sort of quality battle between world class drivers.

Murray Walker used to say "Catching a driver is one thing, but passing him is quite another". Here it was one in the same, not allowing for any defensive driving or daring overtakes.

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It probably would have been a different race entirely.

Defending his position would probably have taken life out Alonso's tyres for a one stopper to work.

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Originally Posted by wedge

It probably would have been a different race entirely.

Defending his position would probably have taken life out Alonso's tyres for a one stopper to work.

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Right, but a one-stopper didn't work even without defending his position. Even if Hamilton didn't pass Alonso on the track, he might have been able to overtake him by pitting before Fernando and using supersofts. It might have been a different race, but I don't think Alonso would have won this one.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

The first time he used it was when his tyres were two or three laps older than Alonso's.

Looking at the second time he passed Alonso, he was going at the same speed on the straight until he got into the DRS zone.

He passed because of DRS.

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Hamilton's rear wing was barn door-esque compared the other teams, banking on better grip to aid braking and relying on DRS for the overtakes.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

So how did that prediction work out for you? :laugh:

Maybe at some point you will admit that when an RB driver does well it's a combination of the car and driver. Until then you can keep hating, and make excuses why other cars end up on top... in the case of this season quite a few other cars at that.

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Hamilton was just the better driver yesterday. Bieber should have at least been 2nd, but he was beaten.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

I never understand comments like that. Hamilton was able to pass not just because of DRS but also because his two-stop strategy meant he was on much fresher tyres; and if you look at Alonso's KERS usage he was habitually discharging most of it in the first sector and a half, leaving him less able to defend against Lewis who had saved about 50% to use in conjunction with his wing. Yes the pass looked trivially easy when it happened, but a lot of thought went into setting it up.

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Yeah, keep telling that to yourself. DRS kills overtaking.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Hamilton was all over the back of Alonso through sector 2 and the chicane before the DRS zone however. It was clear to any observer that Lewis was close enough to make a pass stick even without the aid. Fresher tyres were more of a factor leading up to the pass IMO.

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Without DRS there wouldn't have been any overtaking the first time.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Based on the first stint, McLaren had the better car in Canada.

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No.

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In 2007 Sato passed Alonso around the outside, in a Super Aguri, without the aid of DRS.
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And everyone remembers that great passing move. Who will remember these DRS moves? No one, they completely devalue overtaking.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

You're mistaken... Alo is on 86 :)

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Fyi, Drivers standing as per the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system:

Sebastian Vettel 25
Lewis Hamilton 24
Fernando Alonso 24
Mark Webber 22
Nico Rosberg 19
Jenson Button 16
Romain Grosjean 14
Kimi Räikkönen 12
Pastor Maldonado 10
Sergio Perez 10
Kamui Kobayashi 3
Felipe Massa 1
Paul di Resta 1
Bruno Senna 1

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

No.

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Your reason because.....

Vettel did 4 laps in the high 1m 19s, Hamilton managed 3 laps in that range yet he was more consistent than Vettel doing low 1m 20s which enabled him to close the gap and arguably the better car over a 2-stopper stint.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Who will remember these DRS moves? No one, they completely devalue overtaking.

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:up:

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Bieber should have at least been 2nd, but he was beaten.

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Well, with better strategy he indeed could have been at least second.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Your reason because.....

Vettel did 4 laps in the high 1m 19s, Hamilton managed 3 laps in that range yet he was more consistent than Vettel doing low 1m 20s which enabled him to close the gap and arguably the better car over a 2-stopper stint.

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Hamilton simply is the more consistent and better driver and was that for sure yesterday.