Do You Know the Real Islam?

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20th December 2011, 17:26
Malbec

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But none of this, as true as it is, escapes the fact that to many who were there, supporting one side or the other, it was a conflict in which people divided along religious lines. I'm not arguing that it was the sole motivation, but I consider it to have been a stronger one than you are making out.

If so what were the Orange order marches celebrating? Why did sectarian taunts refer so much to Cromwell and prominent battles then? I am not arguing that religion was unimportant but that the other causes of the conflict are often forgotten but were the single greatest driving force.
20th December 2011, 17:28
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Malbec

If so what were the Orange order marches celebrating? Why did sectarian taunts refer so much to Cromwell and prominent battles then? I am not arguing that religion was unimportant but that the other causes of the conflict are often forgotten but were the single greatest driving force.

But did the majority of the ordinary people who took one side or the other have any knowledge of this, or were their choices based on sectarian divides?
20th December 2011, 21:03
Malbec

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But did the majority of the ordinary people who took one side or the other have any knowledge of this, or were their choices based on sectarian divides?

Knowledge of what? The history? Judging from the content of sectarian chants I've heard on the news or read about I'd say most of the content would not be on religious grounds but based on the history ie Cromwell etc etc.

This would be reflected in the nature of the various groups on both sides which were rarely overtly religious in nature. IIRC and I'm happy to be corrected, even Paisley's party was largely secular.
2nd January 2012, 19:11
monadvspec

What got the original poster or thread starter get banned? How do you get banned anyway if you express an opinion? Isn't that the concept behind forums such as Chit-Chat. Selective banning of people by moderators is badly abused by people set up as moderators.
I have read most of the posts on this particular thread and find that whatever got the person who started this must have been pretty bad as there are many posts that are very inflammatory.
3rd January 2012, 06:45
Rudy Tamasz

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

What got the original poster or thread starter get banned? How do you get banned anyway if you express an opinion? Isn't that the concept behind forums such as Chit-Chat. Selective banning of people by moderators is badly abused by people set up as moderators.
I have read most of the posts on this particular thread and find that whatever got the person who started this must have been pretty bad as there are many posts that are very inflammatory.

Yeah, right. The guy just dropped his post here and started a borderline discussion. Then the crowd with the percentage of Muslims among them close to zero started discussing Islam and then switched to division between Catholics and Protestants in Ulster. This sure is not inflammatory.

Now he must be laughing his a$$ off after gettting the infidels started even as he got banned. He got what he wanted.
3rd January 2012, 08:35
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by henners88

As I have said, I am yet to find a religious person who can prove to me that what they beleive is factual and in anyway fits in with modern discoveries, other than to tell me its rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about lol. Oh well, I'm happy with the way I live my life and thankfully I don't need religion as a guide. :)

Yeah, for years I have been asking religious people to prove to me the existence of god, but so far nothing.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I have been really disappointed with the intolerance and even hatred directed at the Muslim faith on here. Growing up in the 70's, I can only liken it to xenophobic distrust of Blacks and Asians of that era.

muslims can only blame themselves and their vile sickening religion for that. There is no place for islam in europe, we are better off without it.

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Originally Posted by jens

Genuinely religious people tend to be genuinely good-hearted, friendly, open, warm and caring for others.

As many of our islam friends have proven LOL

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Its also quite shocking to see how widely accepted intolerance/hatred of Muslims is. It seems to be acceptable to say things about them which would never be tolerated about other faiths.

I suspect if the same comments were directed at Jews or the Jewish faith instead there would be swift condemnation.

Do you see jews blowing themselves up to kill infidels? Do you see jews flying planes into buildings to teach the infidels a lesson? There is far too much tolerance for that sickening religion as of now.

And also I have to add that if you pay attention to media, you will notice that any attacks on islam are at once labelled as racism and islam gets off far too easy. You don't see anyone daring to mock allah (or our tolerant muslim friends will just try to kill you), yet jesus christ is quite okay to be mocked (not that I care, I consider everyone who believes in god to be in an urgent need of a shrink.)

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I agree that we have seen posts here aimed at Islam that are nothing than scaremongering and paranoia.

Only if you are a stupid idiot and don't see the obvious signs of danger islam presents.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

In 2009 I went with some friends to the LGBT Pride festival at Blackpool. It was a great event where everyone - gay, straight, asexual, - could enjoy music, comedy, learn about safe sex etc. Sadly, the event in my mind was overshadowed by a few people outside the gate. Holding up banners such as Jesus hates fags and GAY -Got Aids Yet.

An event like this? Up Your Alley 2008 (warning, YOU DO NOT WANT TO CLICK ON THAT LINK, some quite sickening images)
3rd January 2012, 09:51
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

muslims can only blame themselves and their vile sickening religion for that. There is no place for islam in europe, we are better off without it.

Each and every religion has a minority who chose to distort its beliefs and use them in the name of 'a cause'. Islam is not unique in that respect. In political terms it has become the communism of our age.
3rd January 2012, 11:44
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

muslims can only blame themselves and their vile sickening religion for that. There is no place for islam in europe, we are better off without it.

:laugh: I know you're just trolling but there really are people out there that think like that. You would be surprised how bigoted some people really are ;)
3rd January 2012, 17:47
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

:laugh: I know you're just trolling .

Don't be so sure about that :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Each and every religion has a minority who chose to distort its beliefs and use them in the name of 'a cause'. Islam is not unique in that respect. In political terms it has become the communism of our age.

So you are saying communism is basically a good thing? Well good good, now we know what kind of political beliefs you have.
3rd January 2012, 18:09
Dave B

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

So you are saying communism is basically a good thing? Well good good, now we know what kind of political beliefs you have.

Way to spectacularly miss the point, old bean.

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