What for, that would have been a rather moronic move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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What for, that would have been a rather moronic move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
So people seriously don't understand the difference between celebrating the deaths of innocent individuals, and bringing an evil man to justice for the MURDER of 3,000 or so innocent civilians?
Well I'm glad I put myself of a bit of a break from here, and if that really is the viewpoint of people here then perhaps I'm right to stay away. There's just no way to have a logical discussions with people that do not understand the difference in the two celebrations being discussed.
Furthermore, we don't celebrate the 350,000 killed Soviets on our Independence Day, we commemorate the 80,000 killed Finns and celebrate the rest who managed to stay alive. There's a difference.
Before too much criticism is heaped upon Obama for hesitating to attack the compound on incomplete evidence let us also not forget that he took the decision not to simply wipe the compound off the face of the earth with an airstrike but to send in troops to get evidence of his capture/death to remove doubt. I'm sure that decision will be criticised too but it would not have been an easy one.
As for criticism of American celebrations, OBL in the public eye had long stopped being a person and had become a symbol both to the West and to his followers for different reasons. Americans celebrating his killing were celebrating the death of what he stood for, just as his followers mourn for the same reason. I see little difference between the American celebrations a few days ago and those say at the end of WW2 celebrating the death of Fascism though I do not share their optimism that this is the end of AQ and its philosophy.
Those who criticise the behaviour of those celebrating Americans should be equally critical of OBL's actions that put him in a position where his death would be celebrated.
I hear that New Yorkers have been in a more reflective mood as they visit ground zero to contemplate all the events of the past decade. At least they have some sort of closure now.
Lets get back to the thread guys,instead of bitching at each other!+
Personally i am glad the guy is dead,and a coward hiding behind one of his wifes.Yes there may be repercussions,but at least the leader of the pack is history
Yes there were celebrations on the streets of New York,but that is a natural reaction and a feeling of getting even,in some way for 9/11
That's not quite the case, Simo Häyhä, the world's best sniper is a good example. He was/is considered a hero (and to me he is that) in this country and you know what that is based on, not our fallen soldiers or veterans who managed to stay alive. But that's just one example. Everybody who criticises Americans for killing their enemy should look into the (quite often near) past of their own country and see how they dealt with their enemies. You'll find out that Americans are pretty civilised compared to most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Justice? Where's the justice?Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
About 3000 people died all up in the terrorist attacks on Sep 11, 2011. It is estimated that in the ten years since, between 34,000-38,000 Taliban & insurgents have been killed with a further 14,000-30,000 civilians who have also perished. If revenge seeks a blood payment under the laws of exact retribution, then surely that payment has been forcibly taken from anywhere between sixteen and twenty-two times over. Does that require rejoicing over the fact that the deal is decidedly unfair?
Justice? Where's the justice?
If you want to look at the monetary expense, there's ten years of direct expenses and then all the other expenses such as medical care and loss of productivity due to increased security measures. Economists estmate the direct costs at over $2,000,000,000,000 with the rest of the tab being maybe double that again.
If spending increases had merely kept in line with inflation since 2002 the US gross federal debt would probably be about $9 trillion but instead it stands at $14 trillion. In that respect the recompence is severaly lacking indeed.
Two measures: one which far exceeds what was taken, the other which doesn't even hope to make up the shortfall; neither of which are any true measure of justice. Yet celebration?
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy."
- Martin Luther King, Jr
We don't celebrate the death of Stalin, which would be the closest to celebrating the death of Osama Bin Laden.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I have to go with the right-wing supporters here... while no death is a cause for celebration, I understand why some people were relived from the end of a murderer, who slayed thousands and if able, would have killed many more. And about capture, forget it. His cronies would have taken hundreds of innocent hostages, to free their leader. The Americans did what they must.
How about the other people AQ and its associated organisations have killed before and after 9/11? Not just in the big attacks like Bali or 7/7 that we hear about but the everyday small scale killings in places like Indonesia and southern Thailand, India, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, Eritrea, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, the list is endless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo