Pirelli

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Originally Posted by ioan

Huh?
Should we now support mediocrity? No way!

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That's kinda the opposite to my view. Pirelli have been in no way mediocre; they've been heroic! Ramping up their infrastructure to design, construct, test and distribute tyres, with a lead time of less than a year!

Regardless of what you personally think of the product they have produced, that's one heck of an effort.

Everyone assumes that people thing degrading tyres = crap. Whereas most of the comments outside of F1 forums I've seen are that Pirelli has come up with some brilliant tyres that make for excellent racing.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Everyone assumes that people thing degrading tyres = crap. Whereas most of the comments outside of F1 forums I've seen are that Pirelli has come up with some brilliant tyres that make for excellent racing.

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But it shows a lack of ability. Imagine if a manufacturer made a sporty branded tyre and an eco branded tyre in the same size and the only difference between them was that the eco tyre wasn't as grippy but still wore out as quickly and used as much fuel? Why would you buy the eco branded tyre? At least with bridgestone there were points in the race where the hard could be the quicker and points where the soft could be the quicker.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But it shows a lack of ability. Imagine if a manufacturer made a sporty branded tyre and an eco branded tyre in the same size and the only difference between them was that the eco tyre wasn't as grippy but still wore out as quickly and used as much fuel? Why would you buy the eco branded tyre? At least with bridgestone there were points in the race where the hard could be the quicker and points where the soft could be the quicker.

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I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you suggesting that's the general publics view of the company, or your own?

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Originally Posted by Sonic

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you suggesting that's the general publics view of the company, or your own?

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Well that the image Pirelli have portrayed, whether or not that's what average joes think is another thing I guess.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Whereas most of the comments outside of F1 forums I've seen are that Pirelli has come up with some brilliant tyres that make for excellent racing.

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That's what I am reading everyday in most forums and websites. Now I know why ioan has issues with Pirelli, still don't get why Daniel feels the same way...

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Originally Posted by pino

That's what I am reading everyday in most forums and websites. Now I know why ioan has issues with Pirelli, still don't get why Daniel feels the same way...

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I don't trust Pirelli after their crap performance in the WRC against Michelin which more or less cost Petter or Chris any chance of being competitive when they still had a decent car.... When your tyres start to delaminate because it's 5 degrees warmed than what you expected then I think you're a very poor tyremaker and don't deserve to be competing at the highest level.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't trust Pirelli after their crap performance in the WRC against Michelin which more or less cost Petter or Chris any chance of being competitive when they still had a decent car.... When your tyres start to delaminate because it's 5 degrees warmed than what you expected then I think you're a very poor tyremaker and don't deserve to be competing at the highest level.

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Fair enough.

I should point out that whilst Michelin had issues at the USGP back in 2005, it was only one racing. Pirelli had serious issues for 2 or 3 rallies if I remember rightly and were uncompetitive for most of the year.

I knew it had something to do with WRC, just wanted you to confirm it ;)