Webber--dirty driver and hypocrite

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Originally Posted by punter_S14

However, the whole blocking/weaving thing has me amused.
You cannot complain about less overtaking whilst this is allowed.
It is a speed event isn't it?, the original concept?
Or is it a reflection of the present world?, i.e: obstructionism.
Weaving/blocking has grown like a cancer in motorsport as it has crept in over time. Some drivers have pushed the boundries at times but have got away with it as the stewards have been weak.
A football fan can't complain ( re: overtaking ) that footballers don't carry the ball enough if the opposition can hold them by the arm, can they?
Whats the difference?

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None and is my point. If webber had not played his dirty game, then there would have been a pass!! On the track!!!
OMG!!!

But webber played it and stopped what was clearly going to be a pass...


and made it all very dangerous....take a good look at the photo and wonder how many might have died if things had gone wrong

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

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Which we dont see enough of anymore, even with the new aero regs. I'm all for drivers pushing the limits, both in pace and defending their position.

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Then MS should never have been punished for Spain nor all the bumps on Damon...

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The real reason for this is that Mark Webber has a Union Jack in the corner of his nation's flag (therefore he is British). Hating the British is morally acceptable around here, we already established that quite some time ago ;)

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I think our Markabilly is guilty as charged:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I understand how painful the truth must hurt you being that Webber is one of the "pride of britanna"...

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Um, you are actually aware that Queanbeyan where Mark Webber is from is in Australia and some 11,488km away from Britain? Rampant nationalism I can tolerate but this borders on sheer ignorance.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I understand how painful the truth must hurt you being that Webber is one of the "pride of britanna"..........but you are the one who should be pulling out arrows out of your a$$----neither of us are relying upon anything but the evidence and only the evidence in form of videos.......

Webber did the dirt, and racing would have more passing, if it were not for such trash moves by someone who preaches better....but was in not england that gave rise to the definition of hypocrite??? As with fellow countrymen Max, Bernie, Dennis, Lewis.... :D

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Your posts are dangerously close to xenophobic, and make for some pretty ugly reading. If you have facts or evidence then bring it on, but don't play on peoples' nationality :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by RJL25

are you people bloody stupid or something?

Fernando knows that, hence why he didn't complain, he made a bloody gutsy move to try and make a position but Webber was even gutsier by breaking massively late for the corner to get the position back.

It was just good hard racing, I don't understand your bloody problem

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I strongly suggest you calm down. You don't need a holiday from here just yet. ;)

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I understand how painful the truth must hurt you being that Webber is one of the "pride of britanna"..........but you are the one who should be pulling out arrows out of your a$$----neither of us are relying upon anything but the evidence and only the evidence in form of videos.......

Webber did the dirt, and racing would have more passing, if it were not for such trash moves by someone who preaches better....but was in not england that gave rise to the definition of hypocrite??? As with fellow countrymen Max, Bernie, Dennis, Lewis.... :D

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You need some kool aid. Mark is from Queanbeyan - he ain't no Pom. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

But webber played it and stopped what was clearly going to be a pass...


and made it all very dangerous....take a good look at the photo and wonder how many might have died if things had gone wrong

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Don't be ridiculous, suggesting people could have possibly died if the move went bad. Motorsport is dangerous and I'm glad Webber attempted the pass, rather than waiting to for it during pit stops. Good to see a driver make a daring move, even if reckless. It went well so congrats to Webber.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

None and is my point. If webber had not played his dirty game, then there would have been a pass!! On the track!!!
OMG!!!

But webber played it and stopped what was clearly going to be a pass...


and made it all very dangerous....take a good look at the photo and wonder how many might have died if things had gone wrong

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Sorry getting bored with this.
But maybe i watched a diffrent race, but there was a pass, in fact a double pass.
Alonso past Webber, then Webber past Alonso.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1403/passalonso.jpg
- Box ticked

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... lterations)%2024-03-2009.pdf

Article 16.1
"Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
- forced a driver off the track ;

There as yet has been no "Incident" noted, and none reported to the race stewards by the race director - it is safe to assume that there is no incident.
It doesn't look like a duck, walk like a duck or quack like a duck.

IT'S NOT A DUCK

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Excuse me but Webber is clearly going completely to the edge of the racing track, INTO THE PITLANE EXIT, and pushing FA into the pit lane even on this self serving (note who drew the lines in) photo--
I thought the white lines were NOT to be crossed--good thing someone was not exiting the pits about the same time

And then onto the grass through the pit exit
That is clearly being forced off track
And such moves make passing impossible or very dangerous---(for all the folks who think I would outlaw passing!!!).

Thanks for the nice photo diagram that proves Webber's quilt beyond reasonable doubt--- :up:

Amen, now you Webber boys and girls, just keep drinking the kool aid and pretending it tastes sooo goooooDD

Have another one, brother valve

:beer: maybe all those videos will just go away.........and you, Webber, and all the rest will be saved from your sins....OH my, just took a sip, and you are right, there is no car on the grass, there is several car widths of space, no need to be in the pitlane exit, FA was just out of control, Webber is now all cleaned up....Amen and good night

I'm not gonna get sucked into this again (or so I hope), but a couple of points.

1) Those who say that Webber moved to right to let Alonso take the outside line - look at frame 3 in that photo analysis. Alonso is already almost fully alongside, yet Webber keeps moving to the right. How exactly is Alonso supposed to get to the outside line from there? By going through him? And then frames 4 and 5. Why didn't Webber give him more room - if this wasn't bullying with the intent of making Alonso lift?

2) Comparing this to Estoril '88. The question, obviously, is whether moves like that should be acceptable. It obviously wasn't in '88, hence the popular outrage. It obviously is now, hence the popular praise. My opinion is that it should be no more acceptable now than it was then. Because it's essentially the same. Bullying your competitor with the threat of an accident so that he would lift. Which is unsporting. And last time I looked, F1 was supposed to be a sport. Not just a show, where anything goes as long as it's "exciting".