Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

1. Bahrain Prince asked Mosley not to attend[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
2. Toyota also critical of Mosley's actions[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
3. Honda asks FIA to consider Mosley's role[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
4. Theissen stands by Mosley criticism[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
5. ADAC tells Mosley to reconsider his role[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
6. Dutch federation wants Mosley to quit[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
7. American body asks Mosley to step down[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
8. Ickx joins calls for Mosley resignation[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
9. Lauda also joins call for Mosley to go[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
10. Mosley faces more calls to resign[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
11. Hill: Mosley should reconsider position[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
12. South African body tells Mosley to quit[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
13. Porsche: scandal makes F1 unattractive[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
14. Webber: F1 'cannot afford' Mosley scandal[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
15. Israel withdraws Mosley invite[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
16. Mosley to skip official functions in Monaco[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]
17. Car makers skip FIA engine meeting[/*:m:2lzj7bmd]

Perhaps, but you can't simply set aside one aspect of this. The effect is cumulative. As a number of leading automobile clubs have made clear the FIA's "image, reputation and credibility are being severely eroded. Every additional day that this situation persists, the damage increases."

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You can also add that there are plenty of forum members losing their faith in the FIA!

I still expect to see some of that "serious damage" affecting the FIA because Mosely was caught with his pants down in his private life.

Truth is that it has no effect on the FIA, because if Mosely can't meet some sheik or president or prime minister than the FIA vice presidents can do it without a problem. The FIA also has national associations in every country, and these are the ones who mainly interact with their governments.

All this talk about the "serious damage" is hot air, it's politics, trying to make it look worse without actually being able to prove it, because there is nothing to prove, and that's exactly why no one is coming up with an example of "serious damage".

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Originally Posted by ioan

You can also add that there are plenty of forum members losing their faith in the FIA!

I still expect to see some of that "serious damage" affecting the FIA because Mosely was caught with his pants down in his private life.

Truth is that it has no effect on the FIA, because if Mosely can't meet some sheik or president or prime minister than the FIA vice presidents can do it without a problem. The FIA also has national associations in every country, and these are the ones who mainly interact with their governments.

All this talk about the "serious damage" is hot air, it's politics, trying to make it look worse without actually being able to prove it, because there is nothing to prove, and that's exactly why no one is coming up with an example of "serious damage".

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Ioan, if you told us all there were, in fact, five fingers in a four finger Kit Kat, I actually think you'd expect us to believe you...... :p : ;)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

ioan

You cannot carry on spouting spurious claims like this and expect people to take you seriously.

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Give me a brake, because I don't have the same view as you it doesn't mean that there aren't others who think alike.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

As Arrows and many others have demonstrated, the FIA has suffered greatly due to this fiasco and F1 has been dragged through the mire as a direct result.

This isn't opinion but cold, hard facts. Surely you can see this?

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Hard facts! :rotflmao:

F1 is doing very good, much much better than last year when McLaren were tarnishing it's image with their cheating and lies! That's what I call serious damage to motor sport, not Mosley's personal life's details.

WRC is doing very fine too.

Races take place, people fill the grandstands and 99% of the ones watching the race all over the world do not know about Mosley showing his rear side on a video.

So, no I can't see your hard facts.
You and others failed to see how miserably McLaren and Ron Dennis were acting against the good of the sport 1 year ago!
That was hard facts, 780 pages of Ferrari technical documentation in the possesion of McLaren technical staff, with the early 2008 test McLaren incorporating 3 systems taken from those documents.

Still you talk about my seriousness and claim that someone's private life negative effects on a world wide association that is doing better than ever.

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Originally Posted by ioan

, 780 pages of Ferrari technical documentation in the possesion of McLaren technical staff, .

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Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea!! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Surely this has caused considerable, and possibly irrepairable damage to the FIA?

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Irreparable damage?! You talk like if someone lost his life. :rolleyes:
It's not like the whole automobile related sports, industry and tourism is dead now that Mosley can't shake the hand of the Prince of Monaco!

You better worry about the oil prices, now that will do irreparable damages to the motorsport! :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

Truth is that it has no effect on the FIA, because if Mosely can't meet some sheik or president or prime minister than the FIA vice presidents can do it without a problem.

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So the fact that the FIA President cannot do his job he is there to do is not a problem? The fact that the head of a global organisation is being avoided by those he needs to work with is not a problem? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by ioan

The FIA also has national associations in every country, and these are the ones who mainly interact with their governments.

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And 24 of those clubs representing 22 different nations have called for Max to resign. They do not want him representing them.

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Originally Posted by ioan

All this talk about the "serious damage" is hot air, it's politics, trying to make it look worse without actually being able to prove it, because there is nothing to prove, and that's exactly why no one is coming up with an example of "serious damage".

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Sorry ioan, but it seems you're chosing to ignore those in the FIA who see the damage being done.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Ioan, if you told us all there were, in fact, five fingers in a four finger Kit Kat, I actually think you'd expect us to believe you...... :p : ;)

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I don't eat KitKat and have no idea about how many of them are in a package. But I doubt that the fact you seem to know about Kit Kat adds something to the discussion at hand! :rolleyes:

Maybe you could share also your knowledge about Mars, Bounty, Kinder Bueno and so on, I bet someone will find it awesome! :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

Give me a brake, because I don't have the same view as you it doesn't mean that there aren't others who think alike.



Hard facts! :rotflmao:

F1 is doing very good, much much better than last year when McLaren were tarnishing it's image with their cheating and lies! That's what I call serious damage to motor sport, not Mosley's personal life's details.

WRC is doing very fine too.

Races take place, people fill the grandstands and 99% of the ones watching the race all over the world do not know about Mosley showing his rear side on a video.

So, no I can't see your hard facts.
You and others failed to see how miserably McLaren and Ron Dennis were acting against the good of the sport 1 year ago!
That was hard facts, 780 pages of Ferrari technical documentation in the possesion of McLaren technical staff, with the early 2008 test McLaren incorporating 3 systems taken from those documents.

Still you talk about my seriousness and claim that someone's private life negative effects on a world wide association that is doing better than ever.

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Why keep bringing up something that has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.

The car manufacturers, heads of state, members of the FIA, F1's commercial body, drivers, owners and members of the public, infact, almost everyone except you, feel this has been damaging.

These people know what they are talking about and they are the ones that opinions affect the FIA and F1.

How many fingers in a Kit-kat :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

So the fact that the FIA President cannot do his job he is there to do is not a problem? The fact that the head of a global organisation is being avoided by those he needs to work with is not a problem? Seriously?

And 24 of those clubs representing 22 different nations have called for Max to resign. They do not want him representing them.

Sorry ioan, but it seems you're chosing to ignore those in the FIA who see the damage being done.

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You mean that I ignore those that want to see Max gone in attempt to take the power!
There is a $ 100.000.000 surplus in the safes to be shared, and I bet this has something to do with this sudden raise of the value of the FIA President chair, a position no one wanted 2 years ago! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Mars,

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Murray Walker worked in the marketing dept at the time the 'A Mars a day....' slogan was penned

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Originally Posted by ioan

Bounty,

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Can't help there, I hate coconut.


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