[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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8th May 2009, 17:33
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

Loeb wasn't just learning five or six years ago. They've basically had the same timeline. Both were born in 1974, Petter started in '98 while Loeb started in '99, and both got their first victory in 2002. Petter then won the championship in 2003 and Sebastien won in 2004, then the Subarus went bad and that's the story ever since.

edit: That said, I don't think even in a C4 he could consistently beat Loeb. I suspect, though, that he'd be very close and probably get a couple wins in a season.

Jepp, that´s the way it is! Maybe Petter is a bit better than you´d expect even today. ;)
8th May 2009, 17:43
Barreis

http://www.nic.fi/~globe1/rally/para..._sebastien.htm

http://www.nic.fi/~globe1/rally/para...erg_petter.htm
8th May 2009, 18:15
Halvis

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Originally Posted by cali

Yeah, but 2003 Märtin was clearly the fastest driver but struggled with the reliability of new Focus. In my opinion Petter scored certainly a lucky championship title to himself. Also Seb was very-very close to him on points, only backed off by Citroen team at the Wales GB rally to secure manu title. I know that norwegians are very proud and nice people, but i have been argueing about sports with many norwegian before and honestly - you guys never admit that some non-norwegians could be better.
But just by looking purely statistics, then Seb is in a class of his own. Most of all, he came to WRC as a tarmac specialist who got into grips with gravel in very short time. Petter has never managed to do that (never been good on tarmac, his only win came with the help of conditions and tyre strategy). Yes, Seb has been driving for only one very successful team and been there clear no. 1 driver with all the benefits. But nobody has dominated this sport like he has. Petter is just a good driver like Hirvonen, Märtin, Burns (too many to mention), but that's it.

And were have I said anything else than that Seb is one of the greatest? The statistics is overwhelming, especially his consistency is somewhat special.

I have not said that Petter (or Marcus) is better either, I've just said that from different reasons, Seb hasn't been challenged as much as he could have been. I still believe that with equal machinery, the statistics would have been quite different - I think both Petter and Marcus (as he showed in his last year) could have snatched a title or two.

This is pure speculation of course, but I don't think that there are many followers of WRC that doesn't believe that the Citroens have been better than certainly the Subaru the last years, and also the Ford. Do you disagree?

Actually, I think that Petters pace in the old Xsara is a clear proof of how superiour machinery Seb has had vs. Petter since 2005!
8th May 2009, 19:06
OldF

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Originally Posted by alleskids

It is already mentioned that the next generation S2000 cars should have a 1600cc turbo engine. It was planned for 2013, but the World Council ooks like to decide in june, appart from the 2010 calandre, that the 1600 cc turbo will be introduced from 2011, when the WRcars will be banned and the FIA makes a complete new start of the rally area. So all already devellop S2000 cars have to be re enigineerd to a S1600 turbo?

A 1600 turbo engine would have higher torque compared to NA S2000 but as long there’s a restrictor the cars will still be low rev boring sounded engines. Boost limit without a restrictor would be better.
8th May 2009, 21:10
ste898

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

Where did this information come from? I hadn't heard of it, and it would surprise me very much if it was true.

I think its just Bazza talking out of the hole in his arse like many of his posts on here!!!!
9th May 2009, 00:02
Bazza2541

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Originally Posted by ste898

I think its just Bazza talking out of the hole in his arse like many of his posts on here!!!!

I didn't post it. I don't know where the OP got it as it was news to me too. As for talking out of your hole, well you are an authority.
9th May 2009, 00:03
Daniel

Now now ladies!
9th May 2009, 07:35
bluuford

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Originally Posted by OldF

A 1600 turbo engine would have higher torque compared to NA S2000 but as long there’s a restrictor the cars will still be low rev boring sounded engines. Boost limit without a restrictor would be better.

Yes, but if you compare current 2000 turbo engine and 1600 turbo engine then the later one should sound better. The restrictor must have much bigger air intake to reach to the same level of power. And i think that most car makes have already 1600 turbo engine, which is very positive side of the rule. That means, they are developing their main product not something from zero that is just meant for WRC.
9th May 2009, 09:24
alleskids

Gigi Galli and Petter Solberg will be present in Germany during a demonstration event of the American SCORE series, well known of the Baja 5000/1000. Armin Schwarz has been hooked up by the pick up/buggy and has organized this event in Lauzitz (East Germany)24/25 july.

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/12262.0.html
9th May 2009, 11:26
Bazza2541

How many car companies have 1.6 turbo'd engines?

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