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I thought they stopped making new Fabias already many months ago.
The complete Škoda Auto company was on halt for last two weeks and people were at home for reduced salary. They started building stock cars again today but only on limited scale. There are tens of thousands of unfinished cars parked on various locations all around the country. They expect to have around 1/4-1/3 lesser turnover this year which means billions of Euro missing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Crikey, has Skoda been particularly badly hit? I knew there were widespread problems, but that sounds worse than I'd imagined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
SKODA Auto have made €900 million profit so far this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Q4 will be challenging but, all things considered, they are doing very well on a financial basis.
You can see that there is a very significant drop in investments and cash flow already second year in a row and it's clear that Q4 2021 will be much worse than the rest of the year. That may have major consequences for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
Yes. Opel considers building a Rally2 car, but only if the category goes hybrid. More about it here:Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/opel-...y-goes-hybrid/
It's the same issue as main category.
New manus want as different rules as possible. Manus that have competetive cars wants them to stay the same.
The difference is that in Rally2 there already are quite many different cars, so FIA listens more to them than to newcomers.
No, that's not the case. It's customers who want the rules to stay the same. Unlike WRC the Rally2 class is about a product which generates profit. You can't sell one which the customers don't want to buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
From whom of the manufacturers can we expect upgrades for the 2022 season?
Has MSport figured out upgrades for gravel on the Mk2?
Will Skoda hit bullseye with the new Fabia?
Is the i20 there yet, or will it be polished somewhat?
Can Citroen C3 have jokers coming for 2022?
Will we see other manufacturers coming in during 22?
Skoda testing the new Fabia again..
Kopecky: https://youtu.be/QPfBCmwuydk
Meeke: https://youtu.be/LomEdbGqYFM
I think Citroën will have updates, but it will be the last "full" year for the C3, as if I remember well, for 2023 there should be a new car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Could they switch to the Peugeot 208/Corsa for 2023/24?
I think sure, Stellantis have more marques to choose from, if I remember well, some time back there were rumours of them switching the Rally2 programme to Opel. And aside from the above mentioned 2, they have the option to go with ie. Fiat/Abarth as well. I also hope that they will return with something to WRC/Rally1 - either with Citroën or with something else. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
M-Sport may have more time and resouces for the Fiesta Rally2 after concentrating everything on the Puma Rally1 this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Opel are waiting for the Rally2 hybrid era and Peugeot seem happy with the 208 Rally4.
The i20 should be spot-on with all of the development and drivers its had thrown at it.
M-sport build a Fiat Panda R5:)
https://fb.watch/9KVSvS9y_p/
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Seems like M-sport have a new customer-part of theire business, building cars on other bases than Ford.
Is it then possible to let them build an homologated Rally2 on, lets say a Mazda or a Fiat? If you pay the bills of course:)
They are not a manufacturer, so the brand have to be involved still?
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Yes, the manufacturer has to be involved in the homologation process, at least, as the category's base production cars must be FIA homologated. Contrast this with non-FIA championship TCR where the cars are not homologated by the factory, but must comply with a Certificate of Description, which is supplied by the TCR car builder who may be completely independent of the base car's manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Yes, and there we see the reason the manufacturer-rule has to be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
Why have they that rule? The car in the Rally2 down to Rally5 is anyway productionbased cars, it should be no need for manufacturer-involvment there.
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Skoda confirm new Fabia Rally2 will have a completely new drivetrain and they are aiming for a summer 2022 debut:
https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/...-rally-season/
I think it’s fair enough.. the manufacturers will want some control over competition vehicles bearing their brand in order to protect their reputation, and besides without some kind of manufacturer support a Rally2 project is unlikely to be very successful. It’s not the olden days any more where vehicles in the lower classes were literally a road car with a rollcage and some bucket seats bolted in.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
440 Fabia R5 sold... that's a nice business!Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Where does the profit go from all these Fabia R5 sales ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I wish a lot of those were M-Sport Fiesta R5 sales to help keep this rally business thriving.
From what we're told, I doubt Skoda would have hung around if the program didn't make a profit. Good to share the wealth around and they're rewarded for a great product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
to keep alive the Skoda motorsport department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
As other wrote. koda Motorsport works on its own budget as a self-sufficient business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Skoda Motorsport is the real MVP in rallying. For real
And many rebuilds on R5s as well, and a huge number of spare parts that also brings revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
In addition the Evo's/ Rally2 that also has triple digits in prod numbers!
Maybe that model will reach 200 before the new Rally2 comes in the summer.
They stopped the production remember?
A big manufacturer like Skoda, part of an even bigger group (VAG), let's its motorsport dept live and die by it's own products and gives no financial or other assistance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I don't by believe M-Sport are competing on a level playing field against the likes of these in-house factory teams.
New facilities like this don't come cheap...
https://www.simpsonsskoda.co.uk/news...da-motorsport/
'ŠKODA Motorsport is now operating out of a brand new headquarters close to the ŠKODA AUTO factory in the outskirts of Mladá Boleslav.
The purpose-built facilities host all departments of ŠKODA Motorsport under one roof and can serve the needs of the customers and the factory team even better. Research and development, production, workshop, storage, workshop for prototypes, logistics, offices and a show room for customers are concentrated in the brand new facilities close to the ŠKODA AUTO factory near Mladá Boleslav. The persons working for ŠKODA Motorsport share 1,859 square metres of office space and 3,844 square metres of workshop and storage facilities. In total, the new premises cover 16,400 square metres.
Christian Strube, Head of Technical Development ŠKODA AUTO, says: “With this new headquarter, we are prepared for the future challenges. Due to an improved workflow, we can develop and built up cars even more efficient and make our service for our customers even better. Last year, our target was to provide more than 200 FABIA R5 to customers worldwide. And we delivered! Up to now, almost 250 FABIA were sold. In order to keep that momentum, these new premises are an ideal foundation for the future success of our motorsport program.”
And so what? What you are trying to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Don't forget the M-Sport Evaluation Centre https://www.m-sport.co.uk/mec
That is separate from the rally car/prep side of the business and intended to raise money from manufacturers wanting to test their new road cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Plus it was created with their own investment, not built for them by a manufacturer (Ford), like Skoda Motorsport's base was for them.
Two Hyundais i20 N Rally2 in Portugal, for Ricardo Teodósio and Bruno Magalhăes:
https://www.fiaerc.com/team-hyundai-...22-erc-season/
I see Polo R5's are still finding new drivers with some now taking them into the 2022 Irish Tarmac championship. The Fiesta lost out to the i20 there but now it is also seeing the Polo take over as the new choice. There were 4 in the Top 10 in Galway.
The older Fiesta R5 is still very popular but the Rally2 has struggled for takers.
A C3 Rally2 shouldve appeared on Rd1 (Galway) but didn't... and there were no Fabia's at all !
How it is possible that no Fabia's!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
We see very few of them in the UK too. We almost see more of the Proton Iriz R5! :D I don't think a Rally2 evo Fabia has ever even competed in a UK National rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
I did think I should add "yet" to the end of that last post, as Ruairi Bell will seemingly have a Fabia Evo too this season, if he's continuing in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
As an aside, I've long wondered if there was potential for an Ingram Simpson(s) partnership. The latter has seemingly long had newish Fabias that don't seem to get much use. Both have a relationship with Toksport. Neil funds his own fun though, which is fair enough.
Is Ingram popular in Europe? I dont know how big an ERC title is in Europe, but Im such a fan of Chris. He is chatismatic. He "looks like" a poor guy trying to rally, u'know? I like thah haha
Btw... Is he brothers with BTCC's Ingram?