Rally Sweden 2012

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

you are talking to a guy who calls sick dogs champions...be serious son...its called humour.

I agree with all the things above... i never said that mikkelsen is slow or a nobody...i said that he is slower than Ogier and that he still has to learn some things to be considered a top driver...

By the way i would not call Ogier a guy who can win in Sweden either... Ogiers highest place in Sweden is 4th...

put some things into context...

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who stole NOTs passwords/codes? :p

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Sorry but I just cant deal with all the hypocrisy most of the followers seem to have. For years and years we waited for a bright new star in the sport..... Finally in 2010 we got a new one, no one cared about the new star and most started talking sh** about him because he tried to compete with Loeb. It seems that the true stars get overlooked.

I have nothing against Mikkelsen, he is a good rally driver. If I had rich parents I would so do the same, but for one I would like to see people geving credit to the ones who really deserve it, and not just to drivers who got it way easier in their early career.

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There's a point in that. Ogier might be a little cocky but he's truly the best thing WRC has had in recent two years. That kind of drivers with pure skill that can compete in high level from the get-go are very rare. I'm a Finn and I think that Ogier is the most exciting driver to watch. Truly impressed with his performances, especially in NORF.

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Originally Posted by Doon

I'm flying with Qatar Airlines next week, hope Nasser is qualified! ;) Anyone else been on Qatar airlines? Are they any good?

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very nice quality of service but ugly stewardesses...at least in flights from London to Doha

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Originally Posted by Doon

Really? Not sure they are too bothered at this point in time, they are off the radar anyway in terms of competition.....only us forum folk are really concerned with the time they set.

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yes but we have relatives/families/friends....

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

But you arguments are he has a rich family and that´s why he doesn´t deserve respect or atleast only one 20th of Ogier? Come on. Your comments are so meaningless.

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No.... What I mean is that I credit more someone who fought for a chance than someone who didn't had to make much to have one. For me to compare Ogier with Mikkelsen is insulting.

However I hope Mikkelsen does well and I believe we might be WRC material soon.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

and Latvala was 16 sec faster after 349km of stages...work that out per km and answer the question who was faster Hirvonen or Latvala...

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totaly different situation because the diff at this case was at almost continuesly at every stage for 3 days.At Ogier vs Mikkelsen at 2 days we were with half stages for each driver and a spin from Mikkelsen the diff was only 12,8. Without spin Andreas would be leader at end of day 2.Of course spins are part of the game,but you can t tell him slower than Ogier.

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Originally Posted by Francis44

No.... What I mean is that I credit more someone who fought for a chance than someone who didn't had to make much to have one. For me to compare Ogier with Mikkelsen is insulting.

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I compare drivers for what they do in the stages. Nothing else. Ogier is a runner upp since a couple of years. Let´s see in 2013. Mikkelsen is his teammate and so be it.

Let it be clear, Ogier deserves all the respect he can get. Drivers of his caliber, there are very few, maybe one in a million.

But it's precisely because of it, that AM deserves respect.

And when Ogier throughout the rally used every opportunity to explain that it was a big difference in starting position, he must have felt pressured.

And then we both agree NOT, it's ****ing great by an Lady Cup driver.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

totaly different situation because the diff at this case was at almost continuesly at every stage for 3 days.At Ogier vs Mikkelsen at 2 days we were with half stages for each driver and a spin from Mikkelsen the diff was only 12,8. Without spin Andreas would be leader at end of day 2.Of course spins are part of the game,but you can t tell him slower than Ogier.

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i can call him 12 seconds slower...

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

you are talking to a guy who calls sick dogs champions...be serious son...its called humour.

I agree with all the things above... i never said that mikkelsen is slow or a nobody...i said that he is slower than Ogier and that he still has to learn some things to be considered a top driver...

By the way i would not call Ogier a guy who can win in Sweden either... Ogiers highest place in Sweden is 4th...

put some things into context...

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Fair enough - you support your argument so at least you're fair! And yeh Ogier is not the fastest in Sweden, but still only Loeb, Mikko and JML would be quicker in my opinion. I think Andreas is a star and yes I am therefore quite biased :D but there is no driver who even comes close to his pace or potential at his age. Do you agree with that?