The Ferrari thread !

My alltime favorite was in 1979 when Jody Scheckter achieved the ultimate in motor racing that few others have and in total nobody will again:

driving a Ferrari, winning the Italian Grand Prix driving for the first time at Monza as Ferrari driver, and winning the World Championship on the day and doing all this while Enzo Ferrari was still alive.

And in typical fashion, Ferrari who was always a big fan of Jody, said "bravo campiogne" [excuse my spelling] afterwards, and that was it! Ferrari like Jody was a man of few words, but they meant something.

My other favorite Ferrari memory was when Jean Alesi was leading at Monza - he did not win but retired with mechanical problems, but it was superb.

Not to forget the win of one of my favorite drivers, that of Clay Regazzoni in the most beautiful racing car ever built, the 312bT, in 1975.

A few wonderful memories that I cherish.

It is indeed always special when Ferrari win at that very special track Monza.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

My alltime favorite was in 1979 when Jody Scheckter achieved the ultimate in motor racing that few others have and in total nobody will again:

driving a Ferrari, winning the Italian Grand Prix driving for the first time at Monza as Ferrari driver, and winning the World Championship on the day and doing all this while Enzo Ferrari was still alive.

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Well, the chance of anyone winning a race while Enzo is alive would be very slim these days, let alone winning the championship for Ferrari. :rolleyes:

Right GV let him win cuz the old man told him to!!

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

You dont have a clue either. I was asking truefan72 that question.

I am very pleased you had a good time. I don't have a preference at all as far as who is supposed to win. I always support the team, although I do have a weakness for MS :)

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Yep, but the discussion started when one Italian poster started bashing former Ferrari drivers....

Alonso drove well this race. I´m not a fan of his, but his win puts moore excitement to the championship.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

So let me get this strait. When we lose the number of hate postings reachs the sky. When we win we are not supposed to enjoy it and instead think about when we are going to lose again. Is that pretty much what you are saying??

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Did you read my post?
Did I say not to enjoy the win or celebrate as loud and as proud as you can?

I objected to Pallone bringing in Hamilton in the discussion as basically saying that his first lap incident was proof that he was a fool while conveniently forgetting what his new hero did just the race before and all too often in 2010.

2. I actually came to the defense of a Ferrari driver and complimented him for his superb achievement in 2007 and found it quite funny how he was so easy to dismiss kimi despite bring such glory to the team in his 3 short years at the team.

So I suggest you clear the red mist and actually read the posts before assuming that either one of my posts where some sort of affront to your favorite team. So you pretty much got everything completely wrong in what I was saying :\

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

You dont have a clue either. I was asking truefan72 that question.

I am very pleased you had a good time. I don't have a preference at all as far as who is supposed to win. I always support the team, although I do have a weakness for MS :)

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so then what was wrong with what I said, and where in my post did I say to temper your enthusiasm? I actually made your point that a true ferrari fan would be happy about any Ferrari win instead of bashing a former and most recent WDC champ from the team.

jeez...

Besides all this endless Kimi v Alonso talk it is worth noting that their first seasons in Ferrari are not too dissimilar. Alonso might still "do a Kimi" and win in the end despite overall a bit disappointing season and playing catch-up in the standings almost all year. The difference is that Alonso has got Massa under control better than Kimi ever had.

It looks like the main difference derives from qualifying. Massa managed to outqualify Kimi more often than not and thus managed to often get superior results. On the other hand Alonso manages to outqualify Massa almost on a consistent basis.

As we see, current Massa is actually quite fast. He has come to grips with the car and manages to basically match Alonso's race pace, likewise he managed to match Kimi's race pace. But the difference is qualifying and track position - you may match pace, but there is a big difference whether you're in front or behind. And with the exception of some driving mistakes, this is where Alonso manages to play his cards well compared to Massa.

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Originally Posted by jens

BThe difference is that Alonso has got Massa under control better than Kimi ever had.

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The other difference being that Kimi raced Massa on equal terms. :)
Mille grazie Santander! :down:

Or maybe you missed the German GP this season?

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Originally Posted by jens

Besides all this endless Kimi v Alonso talk it is worth noting that their first seasons in Ferrari are not too dissimilar. Alonso might still "do a Kimi" and win in the end despite overall a bit disappointing season and playing catch-up in the standings almost all year. The difference is that Alonso has got Massa under control better than Kimi ever had.

It looks like the main difference derives from qualifying. Massa managed to outqualify Kimi more often than not and thus managed to often get superior results. On the other hand Alonso manages to outqualify Massa almost on a consistent basis.

As we see, current Massa is actually quite fast. He has come to grips with the car and manages to basically match Alonso's race pace, likewise he managed to match Kimi's race pace. But the difference is qualifying and track position - you may match pace, but there is a big difference whether you're in front or behind. And with the exception of some driving mistakes, this is where Alonso manages to play his cards well compared to Massa.

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The question is whether Massa is the same driver he was before that spring almost killed him? Häkkinen never was after his accident, he admitted it himself. He won 2 WDCs after that but was cautios, for example, in rain.