Points to a fundamental flaw i the suspension design. Is this the Rally2 or the R5?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Points to a fundamental flaw i the suspension design. Is this the Rally2 or the R5?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
The new car. More from the same interview:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
"Maybe this is so far the most difficult to drive (out of Fiesta, Polo and i20 N Rally2). Balance is lacking quite a lot in different types of corners. The car is also sensitive to conditions. In same places it's too understeering and some places too oversteering. The overall balance is good, but sensitive to changes."
Then it might be like this with the Rally1-car as well, to some extent. If so we might have some crashes coming from Solberg and Tänak...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But even though the cars will look the same on the outside, they have a different basis. Rally2 is based on production car, but Rally1 is a tubular chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
IMHO neutral behavior is impossible to achieve without the center differential. In my purely theoretical understanding going from understeering to oversteering is somewhat typical for powerfull 4WD cars with no center diff. The description (just like other things) leads me more to a conclusion that the car was simply released for competition way too early before the suspension, transmission and geometry was optimized.
Yes, and that makes the Rally1 more fun to watch then what WRC is now (on tarmac at least). A bit less advanced and elegant though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But, what I meant was if a car starts to understeer in the middle of the corner, with loaded up suspension, something is very wrong. Seems like suspension and drivetrain are working against each other.
why Solberg and Tänak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
Tänak because he pushes the machinery to the max. If the car then does something funny and unexpected, there is a chance for some off's. Solberg because he is still trying to find himself in these cars. He pushes when he shouldn't, and if he doesn't he's frustrated for not having the pace. So he goes out and pushes. In Catalunia he showed that he can calm down, but he wasn't fast. I hope he will find some effortless and controlled pace, first sign maybe in Sweden?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
how many crashes Tänak has had during these 2 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
after Catalunya crash youre acting here like he does it all the time. The last crash he had before Catalunya was Monte 2020!
but anyway its off-topic and we dont even know for who the new car will suit or not
I didn't mean to step on your toes, I'm a fan of Tänak! But he has crashed more than Ogier/Evans/Neuville, and what has happened after his move to the Hyundai is probably because the car doesn't suit him. Or is somewhat unpredictable. I hope the Rally1 car is more to his liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Evans crashed in Monza 2020 and Safari 2021, Ogier in Arctic 2021, Neuville last year in Estonia and Monza, thats two compared only to Tänaks one crash in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
i dont really see much of a difference TBH, only the fact that Ogier has had only one mistake.
but ok this is my last post here about this.
Estonia 2021Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I checked, and I agree. During the last 2 years there isn't much difference between them when it comes to crashing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
But my point that really was the one I was trying to make remains. Of Neuville, Tänak, Sordo and Solberg, and if the Rally1 car retains the handling characteristics of the WRC or some other twitchy handling flaw, I believe Solberg and Tänak will suffer the most. The Rally1 is supposed to be less complicated and more like the Rally2 without active diffs, and since Neuville has been unhappy with the direction (which might point to him having problems adjusting) it might be Tänak who is able to use the new Beast the most. It will be an exciting year!
Continuing this one in the Rally1 thread. So this is posted both places, but continue here
https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...34#post1285534
And in my book this is good. A top class car in either of the motorsports should be very hard to handle. It should be a good gap between Rally1 and Rally2. A youngster with little experience should not be able to hop into a Rally1 car and be able to match the best drivers in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
I am guessing the Rally2 cars has ca 300 hp, and Rally1 maybe 400+100 hp. Then the Rally1 should be a handful to master when all 500 horses gallop at once, and the drivetrain makes it even harder to master these machines. If they have a bit less aero as well, we are moving in the right direction.
Hopefully the new spaceframe is made strong enough to protect the crew when and if they loose against in the battle against the machine.
Be careful. When something is more primitive it doesn't automatically mean also harder to drive. The more primitive cars have an advantage that they usually behave very predictable albeit less efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Also the new Rally1 are technically closer to the Rally2 than the current generation of WRC cars (except for the hybrid boost of course). I don't see why it shall be more difficult for Rally2 drivers to switch to them than now.
Third thing is that this limited electric boost is something which may suit more the young "PC gamers" than the old. We'll see.
Well with Solans retiring in Hungary reliability certainly isn't a strong point of the new Hyundai.
As mentioned Polo wasn't exactly very reliable at first either, but it was fast. The only win the new Hyundai has so far is a 2nd tier Italian rally afaik.
Right now it looks like we have another "Fiesta Rally2" here, impossible to get good results with itQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
2nd win is Huttunen´s WRC2 win in Ypres but only with big big problems and others DNF.
Was this a brand new car for MRF?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
BTW, anyone know what team actually runs the MRF Hyundai in ERC?
It was a brand new car, chassis 7. BRC Racing Team is running MRF´s Hyundai...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
With regards to cars it's funny to watch Gryazins journey.
After Estonia and Roma he said that he aimed to switch cause Polo is not getting developed...
After Fiesta in Greece (terrible), Polo in Finland (a bit meh) and Fabia in Spain (not good, given previous tarmac speed). He goes back to Polo and has his top speed back.
Polo still best for him it seems.
Last year he was lost in the Hyundai
I thought he did well in Spain. Nothing spectacular but pretty quick and didn't crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Meeke testing Fabia Rally2 ‘22
https://youtu.be/yVAZfgpVSJA
Compared to both Croatia and now Hungary it was a step slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
In Croatia he was pretty much the fastest driver (but with multiple mistakes). Now in Spain he didn't win a single stage and was clearly slower than Camilli and Østberg.
Meanwhile, Gryazin is supposedly testing C3:
https://scontent.fbud10-1.fna.fbcdn....46&oe=617B4AE4
pic: duen.hu
Gotta catch ’em all!
Completely different type or roads and required driving style. He said himself that he was struggling with pacenotes in Catalunya.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
^^ On rails!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Couple more vids but pretty boring in tricky conditions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFq0Ry2zzaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXk4PPI1OvM
And one more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E3un_ZzqUI
Hadik driving a Fiesta Rally2 beat Østberg to win the 2021 Hungarian Rally Ch'ship.
Yes, doing two rallies more :)
1) Boldogko Rally - Ostberg leading up to last stage (Hadik +50 s), puncture and dropped to 4th 2) Eger - Hadik was better, do not remember any particular problem for Ostberg (+49 s) 3) Salgo - no Ostberg, Hadik 2nd place 4) Mecsek - Ostberg won, Hadik 2nd place (+34 s) 5) Veszprem - no Ostberg, Hadik crashed 6) Vertes - Ostberg won, Hadik 2nd place (+48,5 s) 7) Nyiregyhaza/Hungary - Ostberg won, Hadik 2nd place (+26,1 s)
I think Østberg had some persistent engine issues in Eger.
That said tarmac seems like by far the best surface for Fiesta.
Yes, he was down on power, which got worse as the rally progressed, but he was lucky he could even finish unlike some weeks before that in Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Meeke again:
https://youtu.be/DPUhGhPUrL8
Apparently, Opel planning for a Rally2, but maybe wait for new hybrid Rally2 rules.
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Citroen C3 Rally2 aero and hybrid news from Mads Ostberg via WRCWings:
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2021/11/01...idier-clement/
I thought they stopped making new Fabias already many months ago.
The complete Škoda Auto company was on halt for last two weeks and people were at home for reduced salary. They started building stock cars again today but only on limited scale. There are tens of thousands of unfinished cars parked on various locations all around the country. They expect to have around 1/4-1/3 lesser turnover this year which means billions of Euro missing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Crikey, has Skoda been particularly badly hit? I knew there were widespread problems, but that sounds worse than I'd imagined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek