[WRC] News & Rumours 2019

Like Helmut Marko (Red Bull motorsport chief) says: Formula E it’s not about racing, it’s about marketing; manus are using it to save their faces after Diesel scandal.

And he is correct. WRC and WRC2 like most other top classes that has factory support is about R&D and marketing.

VAG and other major brands will only produce electric cars in a few years, petroleum engines will die.
I have sold my petrol and diesel cars, and have only electric cars.

In Norway about 50% of all new cars sold are electric, due to very little tax on new cars and no or little road tax.

It will come, like it or not, Money and marketing rule.

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Like Helmut Marko (Red Bull motorsport chief) says: Formula E it’s not about racing, it’s about marketing; manus are using it to save their faces after Diesel scandal.

And he is correct. WRC and WRC2 like most other top classes that has factory support is about R&D and marketing.

VAG and other major brands will only produce electric cars in a few years, petroleum engines will die.
I have sold my petrol and diesel cars, and have only electric cars.

In Norway about 50% of all new cars sold are electric, due to very little tax on new cars and no or little road tax.

It will come, like it or not, Money and marketing rule.

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so in a country where it bases its prosperity on oil and natural gas reserves, you buy electric garbage...

ironic.

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Originally Posted by Rally Power

Don’t forget coal plants: they’re, by far, the largest electricity source in the world. Politics and car manus always try to hide the obvious: a larger global production of electricity (to cope with EV’s expansion) can only be ensured by burning more coal; eventually we’ll have even more CO2 emissions than today...

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Even if all electricity for electric cars would be produced by diesel generators, electric cars would still make less CO2 emissions because they are more efficient with using the energy. But it's the environmental cost of manufacturing the batteries which is setting electric cars questionable at the moment.

But this is getting a bit off topic.

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Even if all electricity for electric cars would be produced by diesel generators (...)

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Diesel generators?!? For gods sake mate, I obviously care about the environment protection and believe EV’s are the future but only if they’re based on a clean source, like Hydrogen.

Current EV’s are powered by the electricity grid, which globally is mainly based on burning coal (EV’s largest market is China and local electricity is 70% coal sourced, the same for India and most of Asia, South America, Africa and so on; even in some European countries coal is still a huge source and its also coming back in the US); to promote its intensive use is a short seeing politic that won’t help bringing CO2 levels down.

We should be strongly pushing for Hydrogen, but probably that wouldn’t make the renewable energy lobby happy and car manus also needed a faster (and cheaper) solution to survive after the Diesel scandal. Shortly: EV’s are good, but not in the current way.

Biofuels should be the next answer. Just like they use in WRC right now, is there even a bit fossil fuels in it or just alcohol with additives?

Biofuels is a pure evil and it shall not be promoted in any way.

"Petroleum engines will die".

Funny enough that is said many times but people forget many manufacteurs quotas for electric vehicles in the future still include hybrids, and afaik hybrids still use ICEs.

For example here 70% of "electric vehicles" sold are hybrids.

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Originally Posted by Rally Power

Diesel generators?!? For gods sake mate, I obviously care about the environment protection and believe EV’s are the future but only if they’re based on a clean source, like Hydrogen.

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You totally missed my point. Maybe check out the link if it helps understand. But to clarify, I don't mean electric cars should be powered by diesel generators :D

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Like Helmut Marko (Red Bull motorsport chief) says: Formula E it’s not about racing, it’s about marketing; manus are using it to save their faces after Diesel scandal.

And he is correct. WRC and WRC2 like most other top classes that has factory support is about R&D and marketing.

VAG and other major brands will only produce electric cars in a few years, petroleum engines will die.
I have sold my petrol and diesel cars, and have only electric cars.

In Norway about 50% of all new cars sold are electric, due to very little tax on new cars and no or little road tax.

It will come, like it or not, Money and marketing rule.

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people don't want electric cars.
norway is the best example for that. they try to destroy the market by putting huge taxes on normal cars and huge advantages on electric cars, but still only half of the cars are electric.

electric cars are nothing more than a pr stunt, they have 0 influence globally. there are 1,3 billion cars in the world, and every year another extra 85 million are being sold. about 2 million of these are electric.

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Originally Posted by Rally Power

Diesel generators?!? For gods sake mate, I obviously care about the environment protection and believe EV’s are the future but only if they’re based on a clean source, like Hydrogen.

Current EV’s are powered by the electricity grid, which globally is mainly based on burning coal (EV’s largest market is China and local electricity is 70% coal sourced, the same for India and most of Asia, South America, Africa and so on; even in some European countries coal is still a huge source and its also coming back in the US); to promote its intensive use is a short seeing politic that won’t help bringing CO2 levels down.

We should be strongly pushing for Hydrogen, but probably that wouldn’t make the renewable energy lobby happy and car manus also needed a faster (and cheaper) solution to survive after the Diesel scandal. Shortly: EV’s are good, but not in the current way.

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If you look at Norway, the situation is a bit different, the electricity I use for charging my cars is made from water/hydro powerplants only. So it is as carbonclean as possible.

Looking at Hydrogen/fuelcell tech is imteresting only until the next gen batteries comes along. I think hydrogen is a parenteses. But maybe Toyota finds a better way than todays picture.