Rally Sweden 2012

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Of course they were team orders....but before that we had 2 full days of rallying and Ogier was faster and mikkelsen chasing like a stray dog chases taxis...simple. All professional teams are like that with their drivers....it was in Mikkelsens hands to be the one to lead after 2 days...he did not...game over.

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Are you quite serious? Mikkelsen, a 22 year old with little experience within the VW team and needing to show consistent pace and therefore not pushing to impress the VW bosses, was within 15s of Ogier, the main man at VW and among the top 3 fastest rally drivers in the world at the moment, after 2 days of rallying. Yes, Ogier is the quicker driver, but Andreas showed tremendous pace and potential. Very few drivers in the world could beat Ogier by 10s+ over 18km with Ogier encountering no problems (and beating him on various other stages) - in fact only JML, Mikko or Loeb could. Therefore calling Mikkelsen a 'stray-dog' shows your ignorance or naivety or bias... or possibly all three!

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Originally Posted by julkki

What the hell is your problem? Mikkelsen should be sorry that he has wealthy parents and some very good driving skills? Sometimes I wonder that does people in this forum follow RALLYING or just the stuff around it. I just want as much as possible competition to the top that we can watch some spectacular driving and exciting battles...that's what's rallying about.

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Sorry but I just cant deal with all the hypocrisy most of the followers seem to have. For years and years we waited for a bright new star in the sport..... Finally in 2010 we got a new one, no one cared about the new star and most started talking sh** about him because he tried to compete with Loeb. It seems that the true stars get overlooked.

I have nothing against Mikkelsen, he is a good rally driver. If I had rich parents I would so do the same, but for one I would like to see people geving credit to the ones who really deserve it, and not just to drivers who got it way easier in their early career.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

No..the fact that he was slower will suffice...and the fact that many people thought Ogier would be the one to follow basing their arguments in some victories over WRC cast outs like Loix in lady cup competition makes this more enjoyable...

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0,048 per km Andreas slower from Ogier with 7 tyres more........NOT so lady cup driver.
Anyway we ll have the chance to compare them at more rallies.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Of course they were team orders....but before that we had 2 full days of rallying and Ogier was faster and mikkelsen chasing like a stray dog chases taxis...simple. All professional teams are like that with their drivers....it was in Mikkelsens hands to be the one to lead after 2 days...he did not...game over.

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Am I missing something......why do VW need team orders? They are not fighting in any Championship and none of their drivers are either, so I would think they'd let the quickest man win, and let everyone have a crack at Ogier so they can choose the fella they want to employ next year......right?

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Are you quite serious? Mikkelsen, a 22 year old with little experience within the VW team and needing to show consistent pace and therefore not pushing to impress the VW bosses, was within 15s of Ogier, the main man at VW and among the top 3 fastest rally drivers in the world at the moment, after 2 days of rallying. Yes, Ogier is the quicker driver, but Andreas showed tremendous pace and potential. Very few drivers in the world could beat Ogier by 10s+ over 18km with Ogier encountering no problems (and beating him on various other stages) - in fact only JML, Mikko or Loeb could. Therefore calling Mikkelsen a 'stray-dog' shows your ignorance or naivety or bias... or possibly all three!

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you are talking to a guy who calls sick dogs champions...be serious son...its called humour.

I agree with all the things above... i never said that mikkelsen is slow or a nobody...i said that he is slower than Ogier and that he still has to learn some things to be considered a top driver...

By the way i would not call Ogier a guy who can win in Sweden either... Ogiers highest place in Sweden is 4th...

put some things into context...

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Originally Posted by Doon

Am I missing something......why do VW need team orders? They are not fighting in any Championship and none of their drivers are either, so I would think they'd let the quickest man win, and let everyone have a crack at Ogier so they can choose the fella they want to employ next year......right?

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they need team orders for bragging rights they won a rally in the s2000 class...

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Originally Posted by tolis

Qatar Airlines!!! :D

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I'm flying with Qatar Airlines next week, hope Nasser is qualified! ;) Anyone else been on Qatar airlines? Are they any good?

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Originally Posted by dimviii

0,048 per km Andreas slower from Ogier with 7 tyres more........NOT so lady cup driver.
Anyway we ll have the chance to compare them at more rallies.

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and Latvala was 16 sec faster after 349km of stages...work that out per km and answer the question who was faster Hirvonen or Latvala...

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Originally Posted by Francis44

I am not jealous of him.... For me as a fan Ogier deserves 20 times more the respect Mikkelsen does.

Deal with it.

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But you arguments are he has a rich family and that´s why he doesn´t deserve respect or atleast only one 20th of Ogier? Come on. Your comments are so meaningless.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

they need team orders for bragging rights they won a rally in the s2000 class...

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Really? Not sure they are too bothered at this point in time, they are off the radar anyway in terms of competition.....only us forum folk are really concerned with the time they set.