ERC points system is very complex. Maybe they have problem with maths? ;)
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ERC points system is very complex. Maybe they have problem with maths? ;)
Not a spectacular debut of the new Hyundai i20 N Rally2 in ERC. Martin Vlcek was only 12th overall, 8 minutes behind the winner.
https://scontent.fktw4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...d3&oe=61516017
Never heard of the guy, is he good?
It depends a lot of the driver.
I think he's not the best driver to judge car performance
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He is the boss or KOWAX racing (Huttunens team the last few years).
I'd say he was about as fast as one would expect him with the old i20.
He used to be somewhat more competitive few years back but since his heavy injury from Barum 2019 crash he seems to drive slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
KOWAX boss says in an interview from Barum that the new I20 has about 16hp less than the old one, but it's much easier to drive.
If you are talking about ERC standings after Barum, I was on podium till the night and then moved to afterparty. After all other ERC rallies standings is updated in the night after finish of race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
If someone wants to have a closer look at the new Hyundai, 10 photos of Crugnola's car can be seen below:
https://www.rallylink.it/cms20/index...ry41cf358a49-1
Speedwise Crugnola seems pretty much exactly as fast with new car as with the old.
Then again smooth Italian tarmac was basically the best surface for the old car.
Ollie Mellors and his Proton Iriz R5 were second overall in Three Shires Stages 2021. Mellors was leading until the penultimate stage, but lost the last stage and the whole rally by 3 seconds.
Final results:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/7...s-stages-2021/
Some photos:
https://www.facebook.com/MellorsElli...63800580406342
https://www.facebook.com/MellorsElli...62186347234432
https://www.facebook.com/MellorsElli...63053933814340
I like the initiative from the Mellors with Proton, both the S2000 and the R5.
But it would be nice to see them in ERC with a top driver, to get it measured towards the class top dogs.
That was the plan before corona, so I hope that is still the plan. If the price is right, and lower than Skoda, Ford and Hyundai they could sell a good few to national series.
Somewhat expected but still interesting to see that the old Fabia keeps to be the dominating car on rough gravel.
On the other hand I'm really negatively surprised how slow Gryazin is with the Fiesta compared to his usual pace (or maybe it's because he doesn't ris that much as usual).
Is not so old the EVO. Fabia was the best R5 builded until now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hybri...t-three-years/
Hybrid not expected in Rally2 cars
Good to see them come back after that huge crash on the 'Grist'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
They are certainly dedicated to the Iriz R5 but I honestly cant see many takers when there are so many used proven R5's out there.
More on the P1 'sustainable' racing fuel:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-wrc-swi...usive-provider
A clash with reality. Unlike with the Rally1 cars the manufacturers need to persuade the customers to buy their Rally2 cars and the simple fact is that they can't selll what no-one wants. At least Škoda Motorsport and M-Sport are dependent on doing profitable business with rally cars and the hybrids are not going to help them in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Meeke testing new Fabia in Finland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6CS4Ua6Io
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb-_zk-wwbM
Skoda says August 2022 homologation target for new Fabia.
Isn't that really late if they already stopped making new chassis of the current one? Do they
aim for not selling any new cars for almost a year?
Maybe they are busy celebrating? ;)
https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/...da-motorsport/
I'm just guessing, but I guess they don't want to hurry up things, and I bet they would still build new cars, but they are still part of the corporate and new gen Fabia is already being sold.
They are going to win both WRC2 and ERC and maybe even WRC3 without being involved on the works level themselves. That means they don't need to hurry. Besides that I heard the new car was still far from being ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
As you seemingly haven't noticed I am talking about car sales from now until next August. Not about performance.
I totally get there is no rush to homologate early from performance perspective. But what about people coming and wanting to buy a new car?
The easiest would be to continue making the current car a bit longer, is that going to happen and is it even possible?
If they homologate problematic or slow car the entire business will be ruined because as you know under Rally2 regulations you have little chances to fix things. The car must be perfect right from the start or it will never become perfect. The effect of rushed entry would be a much bigger disaster than coming half a year later.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
As for the current cars - I guess they still have some chassis available but that's only my guessing.
Lindholm test: https://youtu.be/tebGoj2SCds
Looking better here.. during Meeke's test the car looked a little heavy.
Emil did drive 2 full days after Meeke.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
In rally Finland guys that have money and want to do a result - Suninen and Gryazin, drive Polos.
Surely especially Gryazin could easily hire Fabia from SRT just like Lukyanuk did, since he is already hiring Polo from them. And he seemingly has all the time (and money) to test beforehand (1 day + 2 day national rally + at least 1 day after).
Similarly Lappi could certainly drive Fabia if he wanted in Arctic and Portugal.
So following post-Estonia discussion, does this mean they are all stupid and picking the worse car?
SRT=Gryazin, they don´t hire those cars, they own those.
Some places Fabia is better and some places Polo is better.
On the other hand, if you look at the standings of ERC:Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://www.fiaerc.com/standings-2/
and WRC3:
https://www.wrc.com/en/results-stand...son-2021/wrc3/
you will see that actually nobody drives Polos.
In WRC2 there are Gryazin, Lappi and Suninen, but they don't count in this championship.
Personally from following rallies and rumors from drivers my impression is that Fabia is the most allround car (= best in a mixed championship).
Polo seems better on fast and smooth rallies, especially those with constant conditions, less so if conditions are mixed (wet/dry) and/or if the road gets very rutted.
Thing is that after I wrote something similar before Estonia and Fabias won both WRC2 and WRC3 in Estonia, there were some loud voices how Fabia is best also on fast rallies. Gryazins and Suninens car choice in Finland contradict this.
Mikkelsen has been testing the new Fabia too:
https://youtu.be/9v48u_tPz9c
I'm sure Lukyanuk would have been very quick in Estonia in a Polo too, perhaps even quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It makes sense that a car with a longer wheelbase would be good on fast rallies. On the other hand the Fabia looled very nimble on the twistier roads on Acropolis and Azores, quick direction changes.
In theory (mine) Polo should be better for very fast gravel/snow while Fabia shall be better for rough, slow and twisty stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
But I guess that the main issue with Polo is the end of VW Motorsport development. Few people logically want to invest in a car with no future.
Volkswagen Polo GTI R5 car Chassis 58 of Nasser AlAttiyah destroyed by fire in Cyprus Rally
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Yet another burnt Polo!Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyFan13
Personnally, I would say Fabia is a little more reliable and all-around but not a big gap and even now, I think it is quite equal (maybe reliability is still a little better for Skoda as I never heard main drivers complaining about it in Skoda whereas it is the most used car).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I think what really costs a lot to VW was the PR side: the VW was waited as a dominant car with Skoda experience + their WRC experience but it had some reliability issue at the beginning (logical seeing what happened to Hyundai and Citroen) and facing a car at the best of his development such as Skoda is not simple.
And the back-to-back fires for Camilli and a Portuguese driver (Meireles?) has costed a lot also I think because it didn’t given much confidence to the potential drivers.
I am guessing the engineers for the new Fabia has taken the best from both, and will smash the opposition when it comes.
I’m sure they will test thoroughly and when it debuts it will be ready, perhaps unlike some others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Building a Rally2 car that is both fast and reliable seems to be very challenging.
Yes, this is big problem for Polo. There were much more drivers planning to use it this year, but with the end of VW Motorsport they changed for "cars with future". But still Polo is the best on tarmac and fast events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek