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18th December 2016, 07:09
EstWRC

And maybe the fiesta is just such a good car?
18th December 2016, 07:55
smsgrafica

Well, he won't test until next year. That's a very long time...
18th December 2016, 08:17
wwbroe

Quote:

Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Well, he won't test until next year. That's a very long time...

It isn't that long, in two weeks time it is new year. I think he deserves some vacation after a long season, and I am sure he will be in good form for MC2017:D
18th December 2016, 10:03
A FONDO

Sordo also testing for the last time this year, but where :confused: Spain, or France

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz8druVXUAAA2qn.jpg:orig
18th December 2016, 11:14
dimviii

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF

@DaniSordo & @MarcMartiWRC testing the i20 #WRC on Monte roads #wrc2017 #superpowered

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz9F0rbW8AAeuf2.jpg
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18th December 2016, 14:43
dimviii

Hanninen small clips today with Yaris
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus
18th December 2016, 16:51
dimviii

Sordo
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/media
18th December 2016, 19:06
FAlonso

WRC Testing

Sordo today:

https://youtu.be/_GJt9omGpMs
18th December 2016, 20:46
Andre Oliveira

Juho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E5B9K8LNlE
18th December 2016, 20:46
Rally Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafpaktos

Rallyper showed limitless trust to me by asking me how slow yaris is and I told him.I never keep the Knowledge for myself,I always give my insight.Another forum member asked (rally power)how faster the new generation will be.Once more I will give the answers by quoting what a great driver once said.
<Testing back-to-back with the new and the old impreza,using the same tyres,the same set-ups,on a small 2.5-km test road,the 2000 car was consistenly 1.5 seconds quicker than the previous model.I was driving both cars,so I knew that extra speed was purely in the car alone.The old car was already very good on gravel but I could feel that the new car was faster.It felt sharper,lighter and could pull itself out of corners better.> Richard Burns(comparing 1999 and 2000 impreza wrc).
Taking in account that the new impreza was 0,6 sec/km faster under the SAME regulations i think it is easy for everyone to solve the equation about the new wrcars.I can say that in clear conditions(MC is not that kind of rally because of his unique nature) especially after the mid of the season(when the engineers and the drivers will know how exactly the car behaves) the new generation will be 2 sec/km faster for FOR SURE.Thanks

Congrats naftaktos, you’re the first brave enough to put a number on the table! 2s/km seems huge, but at the end you may be right.

I bet on a 1,5s/km gap, more or less the same difference there's between current WRC’s and R5’s.
18th December 2016, 21:05
dupanton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Power

Congrats naftaktos, you’re the first brave enough to put a number on the table! 2s/km seems huge, but at the end you may be right.

I bet on a 1,5s/km gap, more or less the same difference there's between current WRC’s and R5’s.

It is over 1s/km for sure
18th December 2016, 21:20
nafpaktos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Power

Congrats naftaktos, you’re the first brave enough to put a number on the table! 2s/km seems huge, but at the end you may be right.

I bet on a 1,5s/km gap, more or less the same difference there's between current WRC’s and R5’s.

2 sec/km i know is huge but i think it will be easy achievable to high speed sections after the mid of the season.in the slow sections no.
18th December 2016, 21:39
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafpaktos

2 sec/km i know is huge but i think it will be easy achievable to high speed sections after the mid of the season.in the slow sections no.

i think its the opposite you need power to drive you out of slower corners on fast section you just drive with the flow.
18th December 2016, 22:02
dimviii

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz_Ii1LXcAgyasP.jpg
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18th December 2016, 22:07
chris_bakelas

https://youtu.be/dcSvHjbkQB4
Sordo. Nice engine sound!!!

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18th December 2016, 22:08
nafpaktos

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

i think its the opposite you need power to drive you out of slower corners on fast section you just drive with the flow.

the torque is almost the same.so not huge difference i think in slow sections.of course the exits from hairpins are better,it is something easily seen from vids but how much better a new wrc can do 0-100 km/h ?i don't think much better.in the fast sections the extra width and the aerodynamics will give the car the extra stability that enables the driver to push harder and brake better.from what i have read from interviews the drivers say that in high speeds the new cars are glued to the ground.

p.s one more reason. i watched an onboard some weeks ago with jari(tarmac).the top speed was 200 km/h,he was on this speed for some seconds.in the same road a new wrcar(with similar transmision) i think that will give higher top speed.
18th December 2016, 22:26
Barreis

Bring back lancia delta hf integrale gp. A, please
18th December 2016, 22:44
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

Bring back lancia delta hf integrale gp. A, please

why ?
18th December 2016, 22:55
Barreis

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

why ?

I miss the old days of rallying
18th December 2016, 23:01
Coach 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafpaktos

2 sec/km i know is huge but i think it will be easy achievable to high speed sections after the mid of the season.in the slow sections no.

Some Numbers. 25 cec per km= 144 km per hour.
23 cec per km= 156,5 km per hour.
18th December 2016, 23:03
EightGear

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

I miss the old days of rallying

Thanks for that random comment, very useful.
18th December 2016, 23:35
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

I miss the old days of rallying

ok but make sure you get a cab back home though.
19th December 2016, 00:13
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Power

Congrats naftaktos, you’re the first brave enough to put a number on the table! 2s/km seems huge, but at the end you may be right.

I bet on a 1,5s/km gap, more or less the same difference there's between current WRC’s and R5’s.

I must clear out once for all that I was as sarcastic I could asking about times secs/km. Just for your knowledge. The answers I got only showed how stupid the discussion is.
19th December 2016, 00:33
Toyoda

Observations so far,
Citroen more stable, less twitchy on the exits compared to Hyundai,
May be a stiffer chassis with softer suspension than the Hyundai? or diff?

Anyone know how far they can go with changes to the car between tarmac and gravel? As far as adjustable stiffening of the chassis? Suspension mount points?

Cheers
19th December 2016, 01:15
EstWRC

Hanninen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc3kslKcjH0
19th December 2016, 08:33
J_n_z

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Hanninen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc3kslKcjH0

What if this car is actually very fast?

I can imagine, that they know what they are doing... They have made three different test cars. From very odd testing 1,5 months ago, they come to completely acceptable car behavior... with that pace of evolution, they can be in the mix for top spots very soon.
19th December 2016, 08:41
cali

I must say it does not look bad at all anymore.

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19th December 2016, 08:41
A FONDO

Sordo by SUD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rHiwVcVTQ
19th December 2016, 08:46
A FONDO

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_n_z

What if this car is actually very fast?

I can imagine, that they know what they are doing... They have made three different test cars. From very odd testing 1,5 months ago, they come to completely acceptable car behavior... with that pace of evolution, they can be in the mix for top spots very soon.

And you measure that by the level of engine noise, or what? Can't you see how early he brakes? You are just deceived by the straight sections, imagine it on the twisty path Sordo tested yesterday.
19th December 2016, 09:01
GravelBen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toyoda

Observations so far,
Citroen more stable, less twitchy on the exits compared to Hyundai

If you're basing that on the Monte test vids posted this week it looks like very different road conditions, looked very slippery and dirty surface with icy patches in the Sordo vid while Citroen were testing on more consistent looking roads.

Its hard to make any sort of meaningful comparison based on a few test clips from different roads in different conditions, plus not knowing what elements they were testing - for example Sordo might have been seeing how much he can get away on an icy stage with a drier tarmac setup.

Its fun to watch the testing vids and can give an insight into the cars behaviour if you watch a lot of them, but I think some people read too much into them and jump to conclusions about the cars too quickly.

It will be very interesting to see what the clock says when we see them in competition...
19th December 2016, 09:55
GravelBen

I'm finding it interesting too how different an impression you can get from different videos of the same test - you can watch one video and think the car looks twitchy and unstable, then watch another with a different angle and/or different corners and it looks smooth and planted. Reminding me to follow my own advice about not jumping to conclusions!
19th December 2016, 13:34
Andre Oliveira

Kari Nuutinen

Latvala non stop

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0CvvY4WIAEFjgj.jpg
19th December 2016, 13:40
Rally Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

I must clear out once for all that I was as sarcastic I could asking about times secs/km. Just for your knowledge. The answers I got only showed how stupid the discussion is.

I know you were teasing Rallyper, but actually we can go a bit further than the random impressions from the tests videos and try to make an educated guess on the ’17 WRC ‘s overall speed gain over the current ones, based on past experiences, new regs and the general feeling from the testing. It may be a worthless exercise, but it doesn’t seem that stupid. Besides, we’ve 4 long weeks till MC begins and rumors will probably end as soon as MC full list comes out...
19th December 2016, 13:46
dimviii

https://youtu.be/m07Hx-h9QuQ

watch the door

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/w...eCarlo17_2.jpg
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19th December 2016, 13:56
dimviii

small clip with Latvala at snow
https://twitter.com/JoMoWRC
19th December 2016, 16:00
Rallyper

It´s free to speculate. Doing it an educated way might even get an interesting discussion. However as long as the cars don´t do their tests at same spots same days and with times shown, for me it´s not an option trying to guess their mutual speed .
After RMC and RS and Mexico we´ll have an indication.
19th December 2016, 16:46
rogef

Today

Toyota yaris wrc on the snow with JM Latvala
Credits: TheTeevoman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbwVWSlKUnA
19th December 2016, 16:51
dimviii

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@krismeeke & @SLefebvreRallye testing the C3 #wrc in the snow before Monté-Carlo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DdoMOWEAAi57Q.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0Ddo6aXAAABQQF.jpg
19th December 2016, 18:14
A FONDO

Some short Meeke clips in-the-snow https://twitter.com/Remmcrae/media
19th December 2016, 20:53
rogef

Movie through a drone. It seems fast ...

Yaris

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=RFE07xd2jqQ

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