Mobile phones & tablets thread

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Back to reality, I've already had a number of times my newer Droid phone lags at execution, but my daughters 3rd gen iPod doesn't. It's an "inferior" product that performs better at times.

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Motorola are infamous for putting their own Motoblur skin over Android, which is generally regarded as a pretty terrible bit of software and ruins some otherwise good phones. Incidentally, Samsung's equivalent Touchwiz is the only sticking point for me getting an S3 - I'd almost certainly root it and install vanilla ICS which runs like lightning without manufacturers faffing around with it. That's where Apple's approach of retaining total control of the OS can pay dividends, but equally you could argue it stifles development.

That is precisely where Apple wins. There were many commentators who said Apple would fail as they wouldn't allow operators to install their bloatware on phones. Like when I had a Nokia and had to sit through T-Mobile startup screens every time I switched it on.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Incidentally, Samsung's equivalent Touchwiz is the only sticking point for me getting an S3 - I'd almost certainly root it and install vanilla ICS which runs like lightning without manufacturers faffing around with it.

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The S3 has such kickass hardware that touchwhiz doesn't bog it down that much, at least that was my impression when I played around with it at a showroom. If you install ICS, you'll lose the S-Voice thingy developed by Samsung, which looks better in reviews, but I'm assuming it's as crap as Siri anyway.

IMO while it is useless, touchwhiz is still better than HTC's Sense UI and that Motorola crap.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Its just got iOS to beat now :p

Sorry just teasing lol.

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Yeah, well, you know, henners, *cough* touchwhiz is not an OS, *cough* just a UI. :p

So, fail. :p

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Originally Posted by henners88

Haha I am actually very proud I didn't know that. I must be cooler than I first thought?..... Whiskey!!. :p

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:laugh:

Odd that in this society being ignorant means to be cool. :p :D

Don't remind me of the whiskey. :(

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Originally Posted by henners88

Nah, this society is pretty clued up with social networking and news apps on their iPhones.. :p :)

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

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That is an amazingly slow growth rate. Anybody who believes Apple products are "flying off the shelves" has bought in terribly into the Apple hype. So, they are not the leaders anywhere, neither are their products SO desirable and in demand as some people would have me believe. But yet, ridiculous markups like $800 extra for inferior products is quite okay with people.

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More likely, the person who said that is well versed in how to read 10Q's. ;) Apple has been growing sales at a rate that well exceeds the PC sector overall. And even in your snapshot here, what we see is that Apple and Toshiba were the only ones to experience year-over-year positive growth. Looking at results from later in 2011:

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While Apple still struggles with single digit marketshare globally among all PC vendors, sales of Macs have steadily increased over the last few years. Mac sales have outgrown the overall PC market for 32 consecutive quarters, and grown to 4.89 million units—a 26 percent year-over-year increase—in the most recent September quarter.

That kind of growth is expected to continue for the holiday quarter, according to early figures released by market research firm IDC. Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster noted that sales for October alone are already up 19 percent year-over-year. Currently, he is predicting a 23-26 percent increase for the entire holiday quarter, or sales of 5.1-5.3 million Macs.

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And the MacBook Air, of which I was speaking, did indeed "fly off the shelves" in the most recent holiday quarter (OK, it did not literally fly... computers can't really fly, ya know). Anyone who wants to ignore the data that plainly indicates that is just so keen on sticking to an ideology that they've lost the ability to see the forest for that single tree in front of their face.

Now, I'm headed outside to light my Cohiba cigar with a $100 bill. I don't actually smoke cigars though - they'll give you cancer. I make my butler smoke it after I light it. That's what us rich people do, ya know. :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

More likely, the person who said that is well versed in how to read 10Q's. ;) Apple has been growing sales at a rate that well exceeds the PC sector overall. And even in your snapshot here, what we see is that Apple and Toshiba were the only ones to experience year-over-year positive growth[i].

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I believe what I was retorting to was claims by some that Apple was the market leader in laptops and that they sold more Macs and Macbooks than PC vendors, which is clearly not true. I am also aware of Apple's steady growth, but it's also not as rapid as many would have me believe. They still have a long way to go to be considered true competitors to PC's domination, especially on the worldwide market, not just US.

Another major aspect you have to keep in mind is that Microsoft hasn't released any real updates to their OS since the 2009 release of Windows 7, whereas Apple has released TWO new versions of their Mac OS X in the last two years. Windows 8 is still in beta I believe, and is expected to launch in July. Expect desktop PCs and laptop sales to jump back up as Ultrabooks with Ivy bridge processors and SSDs start to roll out with Windows 8 pre-loaded.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Now, I'm headed outside to light my Cohiba cigar with a $100 bill. I don't actually smoke cigars though - they'll give you cancer. I make my butler smoke it after I light it. That's what us rich people do, ya know. :s mokin:

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Ah, enjoy your cigar, sir. And may I suggest a $5000 Macbook Air while you're at it? :)

I think you really have to consider Apples laptops and desktops differently to the mobile offerings. Different OS and different philosophy. Also a much slower upgrade cycle by users phones are maybe every 18 months. Desktops more like 4-5 years.

Windows 7 might have been 2009 but many still see it as being new and scary!

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can't find that claim when looking back, unless I've missed it?

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Did you go through EVERY post over the last 5-6 pages? If not, look again henners. :p

Just to be clear, I wasn't pointing at you, but some other Apple fan who was talking about market volume and how Macbooks are outselling laptops. Can't be bothered to search through 6 pages to find the exact quote.

I accept that the iPhone 4S has comfortably outsold its nearest competitor, the Galaxy S2.

But Apple computers are not a threat to PC, not yet at least.