Any news regarding the homologation date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Any news regarding the homologation date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
agreed, same tone as a Rally4 car, but with more grunt and bang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
@AdrienFourmaux after Rally Estonia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Once again, thank you M-Sport for giving me a flawless and competitive Fiesta Rally2.
I know I'm biased but I really like it.
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2021/phot...021/jce_20.jpg
also for me its much better than previous fabia
Looks like they changed the intercooler and radiator arrangement (from vertical to horizontal), of course this can change during further development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Thoughts on new Fabia:
- I am pleasantly surprised how blistered the wheels arches are considering the width of the road car. Road car shape must just work to enable them to still do that.
- Engine doesn’t sound like a three cylinder to me but has a very raspy exhaust note, like Polo R5 or some older Citroen WRCars. I like the loud turbo ‘chirrups’ and bangs though!
- Rear wing is bigger
- Car retains the front suspension geometry of the current Fabia: https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/634869/
- It looks very well sorted already, especially in Kopecky’s hands who knows these roads well (is this the first public test?)
- Zero car for Barum with Meeke or Tidemand?
Solberg and the new Hyundai Rally2 i20N
https://youtu.be/ZlbBfW0iM5E
I don't know what happened with their ERC programme, but at least Proton Iriz R5 continues to compete in Britain. Ollie Mellors and Max Freeman are going to return to the stages after their big crash at the Nicky Grist rally. They are going to enter an event called Three Shires Stages in September:
more details:
https://www.facebook.com/MellorsElli...23756591077409
Oliver Solberg
Pic of Stephen D.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8Tm0jiW...jpg&name=large
Here is the first ever Hyundai i20 Rally2, that gets in the hands of a private team - Czech and Polish team Kowax 2Brally is preparing Jari Huttunen's car in Ypres:
https://scontent.fktw1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...11&oe=613B89E1
One more photo:
https://business.facebook.com/pg/2Br...=page_internal
And one more:
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/...lukka-hyun.jpg
Greek driver Lambros Athanassoulas says that he is going to be the first private driver in the world to drive Hyundai i20 N Rally2 when he competes in this car in Acropolis Rally.
source:
http://www.athanassoulas.gr/4/36/
livery:
http://athanassoulas.gr/files/Livery_i20_N.png
That was a pretty terrible debut for the new i20 N...
...but their marketing department can say that they won WRC2 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yep, terrible debut in terms of speed (only one very good stagetime) and reliability.
Best possible points for Huttunen though, making WRC2 title a possibility.
I told you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
"Jari Huttunen drove the car to an impressive debut victory in the FIA World Rally Championship 2 category on the Ypres Rally in Belgium" :D
source:
https://www.fiaerc.com/new-erc-bound...ead-its-wings/
Huttunen didn't sound very optimistic during the post-event press conference in Ypres:
Questions to Jari Huttunen - Hyundai Motorsport N
Q
Jari, looking back to this week, how do you feel about this rally and your WRC2 win here?
JH
Not in every stage but in most stages I had some problems. I am so lucky that I am here.
Q
Your teammate experienced similar issues yesterday, were you able to affect any fixes or was it a case of muscling your way through?
JH
It is difficult to drive but the fault is not so big. It is a small fault. When you don’t have any oil in the system, it is hard to drive.
Q
It is a brand new event in the Championship this year, what have you made of the stages and the event itself?
JH
I like this rally, this kind of rally. It is really nice. I like the Spa element too.
Questions from the floor:
Jose Luis Abreu – Autosport Portugal (POR)
Q
Jari, how do you compare the new Hyundai Rally2 to the old Hyundai R5?
JH
I think it is a big step with everything working well. Particularly with the handling side. Now we are in the window. I think the gap is big.
source:
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-t-neuvi...-championships
Crugnola
Pic of Marco de Cecco
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Kif66W...jpg&name=large
Compare the pic with the one on start of this page. The grey instead of red area just above the radiator makes a huge difference for the looks.
hyundai marketing team must be reading this thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/...ed-test-phase/
New Fabia has already tested on tarmac and gravel in Spain, France and CZ. Mikelssen and Lindholm tested as well as already known Kopecky, Tidemand and Meeke.
So that was the test in Spain Mikkelsen mentioned. He didn't say anything else than "going to test" and no pics.
Anyway still haven't seen anything about proposed homologation date. First realistic date could be before next season, but that's maybe not enough time?
Skoda usually like to test a lot before homologating a new car so I would be surprised if it was as early as January 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Andrea Crugnola is testing his new Hyundai i20 N Rally2 before Rally del Friuli Venezia Giulia. It will be the debut of this car on Italian stages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCeOst-B4qc
Entry list:
https://www.rallyalpiorientali.it/do...%20moderne.pdf
I heard at Rally di Roma that not before mid-2022, and most probably on last quarter of 2022, car should be homologated.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
That sounds a bit extensive.
Since mild-hybrid should come in 2023 the car then needs to be ready for that. So far they talked about 10 hp hybrid using 48V battery so it's obviously much easier than in Rally1, but still weight distribution, engine mapping optimalization and maybe gearbox will have to be ready.
One of the reasons for the delay is related to suppliers not being able to deliver parts on time as a consequence of lack of materials because of all the covid situation.
That´s damn late because old Fabia Rally2 is already out of production ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Co-driven
(spare chassis is still available for crashed ones)
Gryazin on Fiesta switch:
We've reached the point where we have to decide which direction to go in 2022 and beyond,” he told wrc.com. “As the Polo does not evolve, we have decided to change it for the years to come. One of our options is to continue with the Fiesta.
“I really liked the Fiesta's performance on gravel (and also on asphalt) this year and would love to drive it to see for myself. M-Sport will provide us with the car. We will be under their wings in Greece but always as a competitor of Movisport. It will be a difficult experience because the car and even the rally will be new to me. But I'm ready and can't wait to fight with the other fast drivers.”
Not bad! Crugnola leads Rally del Friuli Venezia Giulia after 2 stages. He is 14 seconds faster than Luca Rossetti:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...a-giulia-2021/
And... yes! The first overall win for the new Hyundai is a fact! Congratulations to Andrea Crugnola! :)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...a-giulia-2021/
After more than 10 years I was again as a spectator on this beautiful event; and yes, new i20 Rally 2 had a perfect start in Italy. Rossetti was powerless against Crungola...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Does it though? Just because they can homologate such a car from 2023 it doesn’t mean they have to run one I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Basically the 10 hp/48v battery is the only thing I ever heard about the rally2 hybrids, so no idea what's going to happen.
Guess "everyone" would be very angry if they suddenly forbade old R5/Rally2 since there are thousand(s) of them running ( unlike some less than 100 WRCs when those were kicked).
So the hybrid can't be slower than the old cars (unless they for example reduce restrictor of the old ones).
How much would a 10hp engine and "tiny" (just to help when shifting, or to replace ALS) battery weight? Maybe 40 kg?
Is there enough "dead" weight in Rally2s that could be exchanged for this? ( maybe if ALS is removed ?)
As far as I understand the system will be able to be put in every R5/Rally 2 and will be mandatory from 2023. The first cars (Fiesta, 208 and DS3) will be out of homologation by then
No. You can't retrofit that to already produced cars. They were not designed for that.
mknight is correct - the hybrids must be faster than the normal R5/Rally2 cars otherwise it can not work (uneless they go completely crazy and ban the normal R5/Rally2 which IMHO is not an option).
Thank you!
I thought that the system was to everyone. It's really strange, however I guess Ford, Hyundai and Skoda are already developing their cars with the system in mind. Citroen is said to be making a new car for 2023
You can not design a car for incorporating something which doesn't exist even on paper at the time. The rules for hybrids didn't exist when Fiesta and all older cars were developped. New i20 N or Fabia IV are probably designed so that they can be modified into hybrid but hundreds of cars in use were not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
The winning car, that won 3 out of 6 stages:
http://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images...e_CRUGNOLA.jpg
http://www.rallylink.it/cms20/images...e_CRUGNOLA.jpg
Why does it take organizers so long to update point standing after Rallys?
are there times for protests and so on that prevent them to update?
Anyway, they could call them provisional or unofficial until all is ok with the formalities.