Wheelbase of new Fabia is longer than Octavia had...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Wheelbase of new Fabia is longer than Octavia had...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
what was the last time a "factory team" won the erc? (I mean... is it really allowed to run a factory car in rally2/r5 in erc?) Cuz I just started to follow it and it seems to me that the winner is just a privateer in almost all the occasions.
Works Skoda team won the title in 2012 (Hanninen), 2013 (Kopecky) and 2014 (Lappi).
Before them, works FIAT Abarth team won it in 2009 (Basso) and 2010 (Rossetti).
But actual works team are rather rare in ERC, national works teams like Skoda Hungary or Citroen Spain are more common.
Like others have said it's quite rare for works teams to compete in ERC, but such situations did happen several times. An interesting example was Bruno Thiry, who was competeing in ERC 2000 with works Citroen Xsara Kit Car, but... lost the championship to Henrik Lundgaard from Toyota Team Denmark! :)
Photo of Thiry's car:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/315442/
What a space shuttle....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Kit cars were great, weren't they? :)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2000/osta...s/F1000024.jpg
Any update on the new I20 Rally2 homologation/first start?
Saw that Adamo's target in March was 1. July.
For WRC target is/was Rally Estonia, maybe some smaller Rally before that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
it's postponed month or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
As br21 surely knows that's a bit of a blow to any WRC2 title challenge from Solberg/Huttunen cause in Estonia that combination with new car would be really strong.
But as far as I understand Rally2/R5 is hard to change much after homologation so it's much better to get it right as it should be sold for a few years rather than getting it out a month or so earlier.
What is difference between tires for rally1 and rally2?
Mikkelsen supposedly should have had a test in CZ this weekend that got cancelled.
Possibly first test of some test mule for the new Fabia or too early?
Basing this on these points:
- testing in CZ where you can only really test tarmac well and there is no tarmac rally soon
- Skoda Motorsport is based in CZ and any first tests of the new car will surely happen there
- test got cancelled seemingly just a few days before, could be million reasons but when building a new car it's more likely issues happen
A few days ago der Ohanessian (Bulacia's co-driver) said that they would be going to CZ to test with Skoda. And they would also be working a couple of days with the car in the workshop thinking about Safari Rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Since then, it was announced their withdraw from Safari and no news about the test.
They do tests for gravel and even snow in Czechia too, just not many.
Sounds a bit more like the test was supposed to be with the current car then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Co-driven
If you take a quick guesstimate on the following:
How much quicker has a R5/Rally2 car become pr km ss, from the class came and till today?
That is very difficult to say without doing a head-to-head test with one early and one current car, both on the same tyres, same track and in the same conditions and even when you do such test the result will apply only for that one particular track...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
The reason I am asking is to compare with what we can expect from the Rally3 class in the coming years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
So, if you should guess Mirek. Gain pr km SS.
a) 0-1 sec
b) 1-2 sec
c) 2-3 sec
d) 3-4 sec
e) More than 4 sec pr km ss?
I can't say that because comparing results from 2013 and 2021 even on unchanged stages makes no sense because you can't tell how much progress is about tyres and how much about the car. Moreover I really don't remember what weather was on which stage 8 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Difficult to find matching stages
Fafe Portugal
2021 Lappi Polo 97.7 km/h
2015 Lappi Fabia 95.1 km/h
Gandesa Catalunya
2019 Loubet Fabia evo 96.0 km/h
2015 Chardonnet DS3 90.3 km/h
Leustu Finland
2019 Rovanperä Fabia evo 111.0 km/h (stage was 500 m longer, possibly making the stage a bit slower with one junction turn)
2014 Tänak Fiesta 109.1 km/h
Riudecanyes Catalunya
2019 Solans Polo 92.9 km/h (damp conditions?)
2014 Chardonnet DS3 94.1 km/h
As I said, it tells little to nothing without knowing the tyre difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Looking at the numbers you found, it seems like we can say that aprox 2 sec in average speed are not far from the development of R5 from 2013 and until today. It will wary from car to car, surface to surface, and driver to driver.
The main reason behind the question is to show the huge success the joker thinking and rules and regulations to go with that.
This is a very good way to keep development and cost down for the users.
With a 2013 Fiesta, that is updraded over the years, at least on loose surface can still fight for podiums.
This makes for a bright future for the new Rally3 class starting up in 2021, that follows the same pattern!
What about new Hyundai N Rally 2?we know date about debut of the car ?
It was said 2 pages ago that it's 1-2 months delayed. That would mean earliest at the start of august.
I was checking homologation list for this year and found:
Polo - 3 jokers in march (prbly the upgrade that wasn't sure to come after VW disbanded motorsport)
C3 - 3 jokers also mostly in March ("Rally2" upgrade?)
Fabia - 2 jokers (January, was announced)
Fiesta and i20 nothing
Hyundai has a new car coming, but what about MSport? Are they giving up on Rally2 and focusing on R3 and below?
Fiesta MkII has issues.
Drivers are testing and testing to get their Fiesta to work.
On gravel some are saying that MkI is faster, and give them better feedback and feels safer.
Looking at sales numbers on the MkIi, Msport need to do something, if not they will loose the important Rally2 market.
New engine of Fiesta is out.
Yes. Hyundai i20 N Rally2 car will make its competitive debut at Ypres Rally in Belgium (13 - 15 August). More details below:Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyFan13
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...ew-rally2-car/
That's basically only one rally later than originally planned and makes it possible to still have a very good chance of WRC2 title for Huttunen or Solberg (if he doesn't do more rounds in WRC).
Obviously this assumes it is fast, which it should be, reliability might be more critical with a new car. Polo was supposedly tested a lot yet it had the fuel tank, rear axle and also powersteering problems. Not to mention gearbox retirement on first rally.
Hyundai priority for sure is a very good car for the future, not so much the 2021 title, even though they clearly moved Hutunen/Solberg starts to later part of the year so they can use the new car.
But with a few asphalt rounds still to come, I don't think Solberg and Huttunen will get anywhere near the title.
Hard to predict. They are not the fastest tarmac drivers but if the car is very good there aren't that many faster either.
Mikkelsen only has 2 rounds to go after Estonia until he is at 7.
Østberg is historically not very good on tarmac, even though he did very good in Croatia. Kind of similar with Suninen.
Fourmaux has tarmac as best surface, but that also means he is likely to drive some tarmac in WRC car instead.
Gryazin is fast on tarmac, but not exactly stable in getting to finish.
Nice! Like the nose.
Video: https://youtu.be/4RMdD_xwUgA
Tidemand testing new fabia rally 2
https://www.facebook.com/15365507800...7767664123019/
and photos
https://www.ewrc-results.com/photo/7...-kopecky-2021/
Both of them look great at least, far better than I'd imagined, particularly the Skoda.
There are more videos of the new Fabia.
Kopecký: https://www.facebook.com/VFT-video-1...related_videos
Meeke: https://www.facebook.com/VFT-video-1...related_videos
Agree that the new Fabia looks better than feared.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Any preliminary homologation date? Guessing end of the year?
didnt expect that they would hire Meeke for testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Meeke also tested (old) Fabia on tarmac last year cause Skoda wanted feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I see no problem with using him as long as there are multiple others, the more feedback the better and a "commercial" car should suit as many drivers as possible
Citroen used Meeke and two inexperienced youngsters developing C3 WRC and according to Meeke didn't listen to him either.
What baffles me is the sound. It sounds trully as a 3-cylinder but I'm quite sure it is 4-cylinder engine (the only VW three cylinder is 1.0 TSI Evo). The sound is simply weird.