But with different volumes. There's likely more money involved in the TV stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
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But with different volumes. There's likely more money involved in the TV stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
I was searching for it here and didn't find it either, weird. Maybe it was some warning?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Was it not too heavy?
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Originally Posted by dimviii
This is actually extremely mild penalties considering some decisions from the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
- Lykyanuk wheelbase on C3 in Roma
- Ford 4mm windows in Portugal etc.
Privateers are a whole different world altogether, getting kicked for the slightest thing.
If it's broadcasted on a TV channel, it doesn't matter if it's more channels or not. Watershed rules apply nearly everywhere in the developed world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Just trying to say that if you enforce some kind of rules, then you need to do it for all the stages by now. Can't be selective and have different approaches for stages depending how you sell them to TV stations.
Explaining the changes he had made, Evans told DirtFish: “We tried some stuff, tried some areas that we were struggling with in Portugal which to be fair, it did [improve] to a point but it hampered other areas more than what we expected.
“We were trying to fight for a bit more support after Portugal. I felt the car was a bit soft and it didn’t really give you any feeling, so we got the support but didn’t get the connection with the road.
“While that often doesn’t cost you so much performance, it really affects your feeling behind the wheel. You just can’t feel the grip basically. That’s the sensation I felt [on Friday] morning.
“You always try to do something because we felt we had a bit of a deficit we needed to find, so on one hand it was worth the gamble but looking back now, hindsight’s a wonderful thing, it probably wasn’t,” he added.
“The idea was great, and normally when you’ve done your set-up for Portugal you don’t normally need to change so much for Sardinia but we didn’t envisage to struggle, especially on Friday morning.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-s...ered-in-italy/
Hmmm Im not paying for WRC+ this years cuz I lost my job so Im only watching that shitty RedBullTV's highlights coverage with lots of bla bla bla instead of showing the actual highlights like in WRC+ highlights...
However I just realized that RedBullTV is actually using the WRC+ highlights this year!
Any infos on that? I mean, I like WRC+ highlights better but that doenst sound like a "Gmbh thing".
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin...river-ratings/
I'd drop Greensmith a bit from 7/10 to 6 or 5. He indeed didn't do anything wrong, but not anything specifically good either. But last minute codriver change is a problem.
More importantly 8/10 to Neuville is way too much. He finished as last WRC bare Katsuta who had lots of issues. On a rally where Hyundai always does well and Tanak was leading from start posistion just behind him.
Great power stage doesn't save whole rally. 6/10 at best.
Loubet 2/10 is a bit harsh. The car was breaking down every second stage and with 0 zeros in last two rallies surely he wasn't going to push in the 1-2 stages where it works.
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Since they brought it up Meeke is like 8 or 7 as a commentator. Constantly long stories about his career and what he likes instead of commenting the rally (it's not supposed to be an interview). Not seeing Østbergs puncture when he drives slowly right in front of the cameras and saying it's turbo issue...
Østberg as a commentator is a level better.
impossible to avoid the stone,just right at his line,and with the speed he had definetely he hadnt had time to react.
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/stat...62162906537984
Because live interviews were not common at all, if they ever excisted...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
That "fan" with a green shirt next to the Tänak stone. Must be vey happy now, for not removing it. I have moved 30 kg boulders in my local rallyes 10-s of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
So FIA tries to make Citroen leave the circus completely?
This sub frame weighting more...? 30 000 Euros!!!
And dashboard is controlled...? What were they looking for? Are all cars been scrutinered that dissected?
https://twitter.com/TakamotoKatsuta/...38956304646145
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I must say huge thanks to my co-driver Dan.
I know it was impossible to keep concentrating but you did it for the team and for me... I hoping quick recovery and see you soon!Winking faceFolded hands
I think that there was no live broadcast from the stages at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Since at least 1997 there have been reporters at almost every stopline with camera and mic right into drivers face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
https://youtu.be/h_A5ZVGiA0Q
My video with Rally Sardegna in 0:04 amazing Katsuta jump...
Yes there was, even in the 80’sQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Thanks for the info. I was too young in the eighties. Plus - in Poland we didn't have access to western TV channels at those dark times ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
My resume from our Rally Italia Sardegna. After the travel restrictions eased a few weeks ago, we booked for the rally, quite last-minute. Went from Thursday night until Sunday night, so no shakedown, and no powerstage (as we had to catch the plane back). Thanks to the easy itinerary with different stages in the morning and the afternoon, we managed to see 10 stages.
First stage on Friday was the reversed Monte Lerno (ignoring the name they used), a fast righthander only 3km after the start. Not that much special to see, apart from Suninen who went really wide despite not going so fast compared to others. Later that stage we heard he went off, nobody was surprised... Then we went to SS4, Terranova, to some fast section with some bump that hadn't been used since 2008, a place found on an onboard with Loeb. Not sure if it's down to the evolution of the suspension, or the shape of the road having changed, but from that big bump little was left. In 2008 the car hit the ground, now they barely had an impact. Anyway, still a very nice spot where you had a long view. Then off to SS6 and SS8. SS6 the famous 2 jumps near a windmill. Lots of spectators and a lot of remote cameras on spot, so no photos. What I'll remember is that it was less spectacular than other years, and very hot. SS8 some technical section after the start, not much special to see, the road was getting very rutted.
Saturday we started on SS9 with a fast section of corners between the cork trees. Always spectacular to see the cars slide from one corner into the other on those roads which seem to be made just around the trees. After that we went to SS12, on some extremely fast section (roughly 160kph), it's a long left hander some kind of drop in the middle. Very spectacular to see the cars slide full throttle and then fly for a few tenths of a section before proceeding their high-speed drift. Especially Evans and Neuville were crazy to see. Ogier was clean but looked at least as fast, and so was his stage-time. Then we went to the finish of SS13, a new stage. Great views. Some km before the finish I found some Safari-like section, where they drove on the grass, there was some right hander with a sharp jump in it. Most drivers took it easy, and it didn't take long before the stage was neutralized. We ended the day on SS16 Castelsardo, the sharp downhill section with all the jumps, which most people who watched WRC+ will recognize. Very interesting to see how much some were pushing there, especially regarding there's little time to be won there and for many the rally was pretty much over.
Sunday we did SS17 and 19, arrived at the last junction before the finish, without much preparation. Luckily there was a nice spot just after the junction, where you could see the junction, a lefthander with a watersplash in it, into a medium right. Interesting to see, lots of different lines, and also fun to watch the later runners. On the second loop I chose a fast lefthander over a sharp crest between rocks, nearly 200m before that junction. Despite looking like a really nice place, I expected it to be boring, as it's the last stage before the powerstage. However it was nice, both Neuville and Sordo went quite wide. Then for the R5 cars (sorry, rally2..) we waited until Linnamäe before leaving, he was spectacular every time we saw him... And he had a huge crash there, one of the biggest ones I've seen in my life. He arrived way too fast, completely sideways, went wide and hit the bank, after that the nose went over, and he rolled front-to-end. The impacts were very brutal and it seemed like he kept rolling. After the corner it was sharp downhill, the car stopped some 150m after the corner, the road was littered with dampers, wheels and pieces from the cars, sump guard laying in front of the car, gearbox sitting loose underneath it... I opened the co-drivers door and asked if they were ok, but they seemed to be dizzy from the crash. Fortunately at the junction just after, the paramedics were there, so it didn't take long for them to be looked after. Also the car started smoking but that was shut quickly. I hope someone can confirm both are OK now.
So we ended the rally with a bang... All in all great event. It was my 8th Rally Sardinia, and apart from one place, everything was new for me. The organizers are really blessed with Sardinia as a location. There are a lot of roads to choose from so they can keep innovating their rally, making almost every edition different from the others. Only downside is how rough the stages are, resulting in a lot of retirements, but also that is part of the sport. Without SuperRally, it would be a disaster on sunday.
A few photos:
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net...43&oe=60E5095D
Neuville pushing it on SS12.
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net...24&oe=60E52013
Huttunen in the watersplash on SS17.
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a9&oe=60E5647E
Linnamäe on SS19 where it went wrong.
https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d9&oe=60E3520D
Ogier on SS 13.
https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...33&oe=60E3F11D
Ingram on SS9.
Some more photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...52183768126792
Making the sub frame stronger for a rough event like Sardinia could be a serious advantage to the car... If you homologate a part, it should be the same for every event, not lighter or heavier. If they allow that, all teams can make their parts stronger/heavier for Safari only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
plenty here didnt undertand how wrong was Mads,at least he understand it himself.
https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/stat...09538656677890
Hmm. The Google translation of the Japanese bit adds a little more:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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I am grateful to Dan for working hard to the end in a really difficult situation like never before during this rally.
Kind of heat stroke after Friday super warm weather...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Linnamäe OK, they went to hospital for checks, today was on the plane, looked a bit beaten up, but otherwise OK.
Sorry - checkQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yet thanked everybody who supported him (who took it as a normal reaction after so many dramas and didn't see it as the end of the world).
can somebody please do something with the spam bots? that one has already made 55 posts, how is this possible?
With this old forum software, likely not much to do. You can ban them, but they keep registering.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
But no live, possibly occasionally. So very easy to beep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I´ll buy that. Good answer. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Define normal reactionQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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The reaction to what Mads said was normal, he was bit too vocal and got a tiny money penalty from FIA and a big reminder not to be that vocal again.
The reaction to the FIA penalty here and elsewhere was anything but normal...... "omg end of free speech", "huge penalty", "they don't want emotions"...etc.
What followed was explaining why FIA had to do something at all and not just let it pass to all those "OMG" people.
Just forget it already. In a month some will remember that some rally driver was really pissed off and maybe something about the penalty side. Majority of people won't even remember any of it.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Franky
why guys you cant agree to disagree, people have always different opinions but at the moment one side is trying endlessly convince the other and vice versa
So strong in Portugal before his departure, Thierry Neuville was unable to regain that level of performance in Sardinia, tangling without being able to reverse the trend. At the finish line, the Hyundai rider lost "only" seven points to Sébastien Ogier in the championship, a minor problem.
Like Elfyn Evans, the Belgian rider had a very disappointing first day, quickly leaving the race for victory.
"I could take Elfyn's comments and say they're the same for me (general lack of feeling). I couldn’t have good feelings and struggled to find a little more speed and compete with Séb and Ott. I focused on driving the car and my style. In the second passes there was good speed, but in the first passes I struggled a lot. Unfortunately, Elfyn was also able to pick up speed. I felt helpless and realized I had to go ahead and go to the Power Stage. ”
Fortunately, this Sunday, the multiple runner-up in the rally world was able to find the resources needed to achieve speed despite the difficulties of the tires.
“I had two punctures on the first day and that meant we had lost two soft tires out of the eight allowed. on Sunday I just finished with used tires. We wanted to have a good position on the Power Stage and that was our only satisfaction this weekend. ”
The Belgian rider now hopes to find a good feeling in Kenya for an event that promises surprises.
“In Portugal the car worked well. We’ve done several tests and I hope we get the right setup right away. Safari will be a new and interesting adventure for all of us. It will be a really difficult event. "
Asked about the alleged fragility of his Hyundai, the Belgian believes that the Korean manufacturer will stop adding new upgrades to the current car, as it will focus on next year’s car.
If you look back on Saturday and see the size of a rock he touched (Tänak), I don't think any of these cars can stand it. True, we may be taking a little more risk than Toyota, but the team is more focused on the new car and we know what we have to solve to be strong with the new car. ”
https://motoresport.cat/2021/06/08/w.../?feed_id=3541
It is not "showing big balls". It is pure anger and frustration because a product of inadequate quality has damaged the effort of this guy in very difficult and dangerous conditions. Anger and frustration are very common human emotions under such circumstances and have nothing to do with "showing big balls".Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Regarding swearing, Colin, Gigi and Marcus have done it. Before them there were no interviews.
And regarding "sporting attitude", the great Walter Rohrl, one of the best of all times and surely one with the most "sportsman" attitude, before entering Desfina stage in on Acropolis, stopped the car, went into a small village tavern and drunk a glass of retsina wine. Can someone imagine what would happen if this happened today and someone saw it?
My photos from this 2021 edition : https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVWXbgN
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8c0901d44a.jpg
When people started confusing 'shows of emotion' with torrents of prolonged swearing - that was the issue I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
If there's something this forum knows how to do it's making a huge, long, droning deal about the most insignificant issues. Really, how much does anyone care anymore about Mads' outburst?
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Was the fine given for the swearing just after the finish line, or for the post PS interview, if there was one?
I have just found out that there are 12 pages about it. Over 100 posts. It starts on page 52 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
But I enjoyed this discussion. It was interesting to see what other people think.