This must be a joke, right? Since when have these kind of things been compensated?
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This must be a joke, right? Since when have these kind of things been compensated?
Not much of a fan of that either, things like this happen all the time, specially to drivers further down the field. Don't remember many people getting time compensation for so small time losses. But yes those 15s he got are "fair" if you look at spilts vs Ogier and Sordo before and after.
Four stages seen today (both runs in Viana & Caminha). Really fast zones away from spectator zones.
In Viana, where we were a guy had a gun radar, which showed that the cars reached a speed of 167 km/h. We were after the fastest zone (which we also could see) where the cars reached even more speed in a narrow downhill.
Some photos taken at the slowest places:
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Tomorrow, both runs in Vieira do Minho.
Wow, how shitty. When Warmbold held up Duval in NZ 2004 no action was taken, if I recall correctly... Getting stuck in somebody's dust is part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
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Rightful decision by the stewards.
This is NOT rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
EDIT: How much time they plan to give back to Tanak?
Didn't the same happen when Novikov drove with his bonnet open in Finland some years back and Meeke had to slow down behind, and got some seconds cut off?
That was Novikov's fault. Now the case is different, Latvala didn't slow down neither Neuville, nor Tanak. If they compensate Neuville, should do the same with Tanak.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
As far as I remember people would typically get compensated if they lost a minute or thereabouts. Compensating 15s is something new, question is where you draw the line. 2-5s incidents happen like every second stage.
It so isn't. I can't remember any time anyone got their time corrected for that. It's bad luck like a puncture. Equal treatment for everybody. This is a load of BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by A FONDO
Just saw the footage. The damn stewards are acting as if Latvala purposely held him back. What does Neuville expect? Does he think Latvala will somehow know to pull over before he even calls the team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
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Latvala DID pull over Neuville to pass him. No excuses for the latter. I really start to NOT like the Hyundai team.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
BTW: What's the excuse for Neuvile between split 1 & 2 when losing ~5 seconds to Ogier when he had ALREADY passed Latvala before 1st split?
Why is everyone suddenly upset that Neuville got time back. He was clearly held up by Latvala given the splits. Had he started one position behind he would not have lost time.
The stewards corrected this and now we are upset? Really?
This has happened before on a number of rallies.
Meekes SS7 onboard seems like a normal crash. Lost it a bit under braking on tarmac and hit a concrete block on the side. Time in 8:00.
Argentina safety rules break, now acting like spoiled kid. Yes I'm upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Corrected what? What was there for the stewards to correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
What are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Time loss from following Latvala naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Yep, no bad luck puncture but another Meekstake.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Meeke, ever the disappointment :(Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
.... and about Tanak's time loss? I'm waiting for Tanak's compensation time. Don't care much about Neuville's.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Doesn't suit me as an M-Sport supporter but I agree with Neuville's time correction. It may not be a consistent decision but it was a fair one as he lost a lot of time through no fault of his own.
Did he appeal? Perhaps the decision is still to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I am sure they have access to the onboards and can do some quick calculations.
His mechanics "forgot" to install his mirrors after a service. If you have the capability of critical thinking you know that they just left them off to gain time for repairs (since missing to put mirros on the car for them is like you forgetting to put pants on in the morning). He just got a fine, other people get disqualified for far smaller infringements. And now he goes crying about getting stuck in someone else's dust. Hell that happens almost every rally and they just live with it. They're playing shady games and we are not entitled to find it disgraceful?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
It's not very sportsman-like, is it now?
Appeal or not, the sport should fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Latvala asked the team to tell him when Neuville was close but never heard anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Neuville passed him after the 1st split. Split 2 and 3 you mean i guess? Could be stress maybe, damage to the car after nearly going off 3 times...?
The corrected time was ok since he was 2 up on Ogier, lost 5 and got a time 5 behind. Should have been 2 sec better really.
Remember Ogier got some time back in GB a few years ago for same reason. What will be tommorows startlist ?
That's just a ridiculous conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense if you lack it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Putting on a mirror takes about as much time as putting your pants on in the morning.
...So no, I do believe they did forget it.
And he was more than stuck in his dust. He was slowed down and had to pass him.
Like all organizations, you need to appeal if you want something done.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
The state does not issue you a passport if you don't ask for one...
Yes, splits 2&3, my bad. In the highlights though have sad Neuville lost ONLY 7 seconds being after Latvala. What is Latvala's fault if Neuville get stressed/had some car damage? How come Tanak didn't had them? If Neuville is compensated, so should be Tanak, simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
This is a sport and everyone participating should put under same RULES.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
May be the mechanics were too busy changing his gearbox?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
They are... If you appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Just like in the real world where the rest of us live.
If you and your friend both got parking tickets in error, you both have to appeal and you will both be treated equally by the law.
Same here.
Yes he lost 7 sec to Sordo with the corrected time. Haven't seen it yet but maybe it has something to do with the Toyota team not making a mistake and got Latvala stopped so Tanak could pass and not sit right behind for 5km like Neuville did? Tanak didn't loose any time to speak of anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Dunno why everyone is moaning about Neuville rightfully getting some time back. Think a lot of you guys are worrying about Neuville smashing it tomorrow now he's in a position to hunt down the win ;)
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It's more like a footballer going to the ground in the box like a dying swan after an obviously unintentional contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Define "any time to speak of".Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Neuville gets 12s, so if you loose 11s it's no problem? How about 5s or 2s? Rallies and podium places were decided by less in both Argentina and Corsica.
An even time loss through the stage, he was 1 sec down on Sordo on the 1st split already and had some damage that made the car difficult to drive, hard to get time back then anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Lets just watch the onboard when it's up and judge then shall we :)
So Neuville got stressed Toyota team couldn't warn Latvala in time and protest about it. Are You serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway