I read something awhile back about a 1.6 turbo, 300 ps, short-wheelbase, and the intention of going rallying again. But it might just have been speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
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I read something awhile back about a 1.6 turbo, 300 ps, short-wheelbase, and the intention of going rallying again. But it might just have been speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
Is there any information about Renault Sport homologation plans for the new Clio 1.6T (200 EDC)?
Not built to R rules, but here is Mark Higgins when he drove a 'rally' prepared Subaru BRZ
Mark Higgins and the Subaru BRZ take on Isle Of Man [Video]
So an R3 BRZ could come about?
Renault Sport is an interesting one, as they are active with their homologations for R cars but they are not involved in the WRC with world rally cars, S2000, 4WD etc.
I was thinking about Clio 200 EDC R3T/class 5 homologation plans, if they exist. Until now RS announced that Clio Cup will make its competitive debut in the 2013 Eurocup Clio season, but nothing about rally homologation.
I'll be glad to see Clio or Megane version in R5 class, despite that Megane N4 was a disappointment for me.
In the UK there is the BRC (British Rally Championship) which is allowing manufacturers to enter a new R class car without having to get an FIA passport for the car.
In a bid to encourage new cars into the R classes, it has to be the manufacturer or a motorsport team which is representing the manufacturer though.
So lets see if 2013 could bring about M Sport to work on the new Fiesta 1.6 turbo road car into a R3T rally car? Same for Subaru UK with the BRZ for R3.
What will be Subaru main plan in building an R5 car? To provide rally clients from all around the world a (costly) substitute for their Gr.N cars or to get officialy involved in international series like ERC or APRC?
Either way I hope they'll use R5 as a mean to get back to WRC, their natural environment!
To replace the N4 cars that are being phased out... and seeing as R4 isn't up to much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Arganil
An R5 car will only allow them to get back to the WRC in the new WRC2 category. Too much difference to have a simple means of making a WRC variant of an R5 machine.
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Originally Posted by Arganil
Main goal, win WRC 2 and get data. Earning money by selling cars.
I think that winning ERC is much more interesting than WRC2 because You can win there overall and that is something different. Look now who is interested in SWRC or PWRC? Besides few true fans no-one even knows something like that exists...
Any update on R cars this week?
Do Suzuki have any cars homologated in Group R ?
The mechanicals for the road going 2014 Subaru WRX (insidea current body shell) have been heat tested in Death Valley during the Northern Hemisphere summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
2014 Subaru WRX Spy Shots
In my opinion Subaru designs are loosing character more and more with each year.
Souldn't it be eather Toyaru or Subota since they both have only 6 letters? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Any news with R class cars this week?
It will be interesting to see how S2000/RRC Vs R5 goes. Surely one of the classes will fall by the side. Bit like Blu-ray Vs HD DVD ?
I can't see both categories (which are comparable) below the World Rally Car category surviving.
Škoda is trying to push FIA to allow 1.2T or 1.4T in R2 class.
If Citroen have a 1.4 turbo petrol car, then it will happen easily. As it seems that Citroen get their way with the FIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Look at how quickly Peugeot got going with R5. It is as though Peugeot were ready with R5 before the FIA announced it!
Last Wednesday there was meeting of FIA for the next season but there are no news so far. I guess FIA is having many proposals like the one from Skoda. It will be good to have policy involving most of the car companies. The R1/R2 and R3 classes are a key points to me. I support the idea of 1.2 or 1.4 turbo engine for R2 category.
But as you wrote FIA is much more French than anything else :arrows:
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Originally Posted by navtheace
if a manufacture would like to make a r2 1,2t or a r5 car, be sure that fia wouldn t deny to give the specifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
I meant how the FIA bring in a new category that looks somewhat suspect that has come about from the encouragement of Citroen/Peugeot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Not a manufacturer needing specifications to a category that is already in place by the FIA.
You don't know when the negotiations about R5 start and who was involved, do You? So what You write is just some feelings which may well be wrong...
also encouragement of Ford and Skoda and Renault and....all these are working already before you and me can find regulations at FIA site.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
a car such a r5 category needs years of work.Of course they HAVE to know the regulations to design and fabric all parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
the problem would be if a manufacture asked for regulations,and Fia denied to give.Do you know such a case? if you know enlight us please.
How could you be so blind..... I'lll give you a joker for homework: R3T????????????
i am not blind,i just dont suffer from Frenchphobia.
Manufacturers have more info than we have... ;) Also M-Sport and Skoda are working on R5 for a long time already. I think the strategy is just different, could be that Skoda and M-Sport are waiting to see how the Peugeot performs first, so they can maybe make some changes to make their cars better than the Peugeot. For the Fabia S2000 the development took very long also. Peugeot is probably using their strategy to start selling the 208 R5's as soon as possible, to make some profit with it...Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Wasn't Fiat first with their 500 Abarth R3T? They unveiled the car in late september 2009. DS3 R3T has been seen on rallies for the first time in 2010 I think? Homework anyone SlowSon? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
When I wrote that I was suffering from hangover, that's why it was so short and difficult to understand. I intended to point not just the creation of this separate class, but more important - its connection with R5 and the incredible, all-purpose, cheaper, simpler etc 1,6t engine. Why it is so so similar to the introducing of the S2000 class, the same brand has the initial development advantage, the same suppliers Oreca, Pipo Moteauire, Sadev.... I "say" more than i write, I know it sounds like an easy excuse but I really can't explain well enough in English so try to rethink and combine the things by yourself. Two weeks ago some information leaked, that PSA already has 20+ prepaid 208 R5s. Where are the other brands? Still nowhere, but when they finally catch up after several years, there will be introduced a new top class with new chassis and new "outstanding" engine. "To reduce the costs" :laugh:
It's not because the other manufacturers are not talking yet, that they are not working on it... ;) What Peugeot is doing now is pure marketing, I don't expect the others to be years behind with their cars. :)
Skoda was nowhere when Peugeot launched the 207....which was more succesfull?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Ηοmework for next week this one.
Perhaps impossible to know... But who made most money with selling S2000's (and parts)? ;) I wouldn't be surprised if it's Peugeot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Also Peugeot had good publicity from 2007 to 2011, while Skoda had publicity from 2009 to 2012 (but maybe more/better publicity in shorter time-period).
@SlowSon: First S2000 was Fiat Punto btw, they were competing in early summer 2006 already while Peugeot debuted only at the very end of the year (Condroz 2006 as 0-car with Bouffier).
of course is not surprise that Peugeot sold much more cars when were selling cars for 6 years than 3 for Skoda,but thats not the point of most succesfull car. ie Focus vs C4 is Focus more succesfull?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
in years they competed together,Skoda was much more succesfull even 207 had 3 years evolution.So there is no point who is going to introduce first the car.As you mention sometimes the later cars have the advantage to see weakness or points that can be better from the first introduce car.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Punto S2000 1.6.2006Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Corolla S2000 1.12.2006
Polo S2000 1.2.2007
207 S2000 1.2.2007
Plus two never finished projects developed since 2005 - Lada 112 and Renault Logan. I don't think more words are needed...
Very difficult to know what goes on with the FIA behind closed doors.
Lets just see how the new R5 class goes.
Does anyone know if there are plans for Suzuki Swift R1B? The basis is in my opinion better than those of existing R1 cars.
M Sport showing the R5 as featured news from their website
M-Sport's Ford Fiesta R5 nears completion
I have heard that Renault Clio 1.6 R3T (or R5 maybe) project is ready at 90%, but RS should wait to sell 2500 cars of the new Clio RS in order to receive homologation.
Any pros and cons about that rumour?
Is there any required number of sales to reach homologation anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by OgyWRC
Not a number of sales but there is still a required amount of production. Usually 2500 in one year.
2500 cars is nothing for Renault... That should not be a barrier for them. I haven't heard any of the rumours but wouldn't be surprised if they work on R3T or R5 (let's hope for both!). :)
I am not so optimistic...Quote:
Originally Posted by OgyWRC