Give Kimi a fast car and he will make it go even faster. :eek:
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Give Kimi a fast car and he will make it go even faster. :eek:
agree valve
I'll be happy if the deal is done,
because that team of Lewis and kimi will be incredibly tough to beat next year.
I still think that Hamilton will have the slighter upper hand, but he has proved before that he is unfazed by who drives the other car and that attitude seems to serve him well. Kimi will be back where he belongs and with a teammate that can match him, without the pressure of being the team leader, testing or other obligations. All he has to do is drive the thing.
I can picture it now :D
Hamilton: he was in the way :fasttalk:
Kimi: yeah whatever (Taking a stroll to the freezer) :s mokin:
Kimi, I'm put off with your apparent attitude about going to a team like Toyota, saying something to the effect that you don't want to drive a slow car.
What, do you lack confidence in making a car quicker? The current 'Yoter has proven time and again that it is a Q3 car, and has even found its way to the front row several times as well as a pair of 2nd place finishes.
So, there's only two teams you would drive for? That's being an elitist. You clearly don't care about working hard and persevering, challenging yourself to rise above and perhaps shock the world, doing something few drivers could do (win in three different teams) and perhaps ensure your legacy. You want a winning car just handed to you.
I hope someone else gets the other McLaren seat.
why would a WDC like Kimi choose something other than the best alternative :?: ...That was what Alonso did when he went to Mclaren in 2007 and now with Ferrari in 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
If a driver had a choice between Mclaren and Toyota,any driver for that matter and they were both offering him the same conditions in the contract,who in his right mind would take Toyota ahead of Mclaren
Kimi has been my favorite driver, since he was in F1. But I totally agree with you on this one. Now I think I understand why Ferrari wanted to ditch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
We'll see what happens next year, but I have the feeling Hamilton will thrash him, fairly or otherwise, and he just won't care.
In a team like Toyota he would have had to prove himself - I am beginning to think there is some reality to the talk of Kimi being only good because he has always been in the best machinery throughout his career.
We shall see.
That's not the issue. The issue is "either McLaren or nothing". That attitude is bull, makes you think the man has done what he came for, he was champion - he made a few hundred million dollars and now just doesn't give a . My way or the highway attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
the Car in 2003 was a dog to drive,probably the third best car in the grid @ that time...2005,the car was unreliable...still Kimi was competing for the world championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by Koz
and for that matter,why would anyone choose Toyota when the Toyota heads @ Japan have given indication that they might pull the plug @ F1 anytime
Koz perfectly answered your question for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
Alonso could have taken 2008 off; instead, for two years he drove what was clearly not a top car. Alonso perhaps knows there is honor in getting the best out of the car and the team--that winning isn't the only satisfaction.
He also suggested that Brawn wasn't good enough for him, which is suspicious. Does he think they won't be a front-runner next season? Highly unlikely. Dis he find out that they can't pay him what he wants?
So why did Alonso choose Ferrari for next year and not USF1, Campos, or Lotus?!? Total BS..Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Because if you had been watching F1 this season, you may have noticed Ferrari weren't that good. Alonso can get to prove he can elevate a team--again--and make a hatfull of dough. Can't do that at a lesser team. It's also been one of his childhood dreams. In the early part of FA's career, Michael was there, so to switch was impossible, since MS demanded #1 status. Now is the time to realize a career goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Another aspect is that Alonso hasn't categorically announced, "I would drive for only these two teams."
And what has McLaren done this season? They are one point ahead of Ferrari even though they have 2 scoring drivers, agains Ferrari's only one (imagine who that could be)Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Dream drive.. bla bla bla.. He wants to be in Ferrari because it's the only place he can win, period. He's not wanted in McLaren, RBR is full and Brawn doesn't seem to like him. Why doesn't he go to Toyota as well?
What has McLaren done? They have proven, once again, that they more than any team, can make a decent / bad car better. They were completely lost at the beginning of the year, and are undoubtedly the hottest team at the end. Hamilton's 4 poles and 2 wins in the second half is proof. In the first 9 races, Lewis had 8 points; however, in the last 7 races, he has 40 points--well clear of the rest of the field. This is so staggering because Hamilton is NOT a tried-and-true test driver AND there hasn't been any in-testing anyway. Macca's success is all about RESOURCES. No wonder Kimi wants to go there--he doesn't have to develop the car, and be virtually guaranteed that they will have a car that they can unload and be at the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Keep bringing that weak "bla bla, BS" attempt to discredit my case. I'm enjoying this.
So Kimi has made the 2nd most points than anyone else, with only him to develop the car. In the first 9 races Kimi had 10 points. In the last 7 he has 38. With the team fully concentrated on the 2010 car (so Mr. Alonso can have a car that's a lot more developed than anyone else).Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
And what has Mr. Alonso done this year with the Renault?!? Where is mr. ultra-car-developer? Today he said that the Renault was the worst car if the grid.. So why can't mr. ultra-car-developer change that? He started with a 5th place in Australia, so I wasn't such a bad car in the begging of the season.. Where are his ultra-skills?
Kimi has been developing the car? Kimi has pointed out, and so has the team, that they have ceased developing the car. The reason they got more competitive during the season was they developed a double-diffuser after it was deemed legal, then they came to a few tracks that favored the KERS-equipped cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
The Renault is quite a bad car, which makes it all the more staggering that Fernando has two front row starts, and several grid positions in the 6-8th slots. His teammates have failed to score while he's accrued 26 points with only one podium.
Check out the recent thread about the importance of the car vs the driver--"Perpetual Question"--where I had a lengthy post about Alonso's contributions to his teams. It's pretty clear that he's brought a great deal to whatever team he's gone to. As for this year's sled, I've already pointed out that the testing ban has put paid to any car making great strides--only the double-diffuser has brought about significant change.
I recall in 2007 Fernando said "I will be in F1 in 2008", didn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
He didn't turn into a pansy and say "Oh if Ferrari don't offer me a seat then, then F1 can go to hell." - This is what Kimi has said.
Kimi made his money and now just does not care, simple as that.
IMO, if Alonso had no other choice, he would have gone USF1 or whatever.
Ross Brawn invited him in the Honda team last year. He offered him a place in the team for this season. But Fernando was convinced that the Renault will produce a better car, because while Ross invited him he won two races for Renault and Honda still struggled.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
His childhood dream was to drive for Mclaren, you know the yellow helmet etc. He said it himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
The major reason why they've had good results in the latter part of the season is the oustanding performance of the Finnish driver in the car. By the way, how good are Roman Grosjean or Nelson Piquet? :) I don't think anyone should boast about beating those two drivers. It's funny how Fernando has to point out that while Kimi has not said anything about the fact that he is simply destroying Fisi. Different characters, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
The major reason why they've had good results in the latter part of the season is the oustanding performance of the Finnish driver in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Buhuu. Seems like you dont know sh!t. Both of these points are false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
I agree with you....one is a motivated character determined to get the very best out of the team and the other is a demotivational, lazy overpaid disappointment who has a negative effect on galvanising a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I'm delighted that today is the last time we will see Raikkonen in a Ferrari...good riddance Kimi and thank you for your lack of interest.
Erm...that was Hamilton, not Fernando.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Is Raikkonen really disinterested? Or is that just a perception based on a misunderstanding of his personality?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Well, clearly Ferrari misunderstood his personality when they signed him, and that is their mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Thankfully they have now rectified that error.
Seriously, though.....Misunderstood personality?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
This is supposedly a professional top-class Formula One driver, not some teenage emo.
At $45million per annum, Kimi owed a debt to his employers to be understood. The way he let Massa (with Schumacher's support, true enough) lead the development of the F2008 away from Kimi's preferred style was not the actions of a motivated man nor of a man who understood what his role should be.
There is no way that Schumacher, nor Fernando nor Hamilton would have been so lame.
Beans!! you're back!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Wrong, it was both. Alonso's words from February 2007:Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
According to Alonso, racing for McLaren, which will begin in earnest at the Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne on March 18, had always been his dream.Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/...real-madrid.do
"When I was a boy, my heroes were Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna and I used to watch them driving McLarens. In fact, I used to play with McLaren toy cars, too. So, to be a McLaren driver now really is a dream come true. I am so happy to be here. If I was a footballer, then I would like to play for Real Madrid, the team I support and love. Driving for McLaren is like playing for Real Madrid."
Then I apologise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
He didn't mention Yellow Helmets though.
As outsiders, we'll never really know. It's true that to the outside world Kimi presents a rather bland personality (or lack thereof), but he's won a World Championship with the team and recently bagged several podiums out of a car which has had no development since the summer, so he can't be all that bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Why can't a professional top-class Formula One driver not have a quiet, unruffled demeanour?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
And on my best behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I don't much care for prison food :p
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
it's just his personality, it's like when you are stupid and retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Oh, I wouldn't go that far....Kimi ain't that.Quote:
Originally Posted by snellman
Very unfair, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by snellman
That's because it's unacceptable at Ferrari, and the "tifosis" also are not okay with that. Extensive research has shown that the scarlet team and its "true" fans prefer a driver who absolutely HAS to have these talents below:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
1. Has to be a cheat or involved in at least two or more F1 scandals, punt opponents off track to win championships, park in the middle of the track and then shrug his shoulders as if nothing happened. Apparently honesty is not an admired quality, too boring for them.
2. Has to slap the car, beat his chest, jump on the podium, wave around to the fans, have a smile extending beyond his face, a long chin or jaw, kiss and hug every mechanic in the garage, and gift them self-signed posters, and send postcards for Christmas. All this to show he cares, or else they don't feel "appreciated."
3. Do an extremely irritating impression of a concert maestro when the Italian national anthem is playing. *shudders*
Damn, all Kimi had to do was to sell his soul to the devil and take some lessons in acting your a$$ off for the camera. If he ends up at Mclaren, I guess he won't have to do anything extra than driving the pants off that car for the money he is paid........hopefully.
Okay, I wont go for this. But been signed in September, who were you before?Quote:
Originally Posted by snellman
Come on people, you can change name, but if youre lame, youŽll always stay lame.
I think Kimi's performance next year will be the defining factor. All those guys who like to post insults now, well I bet they know nothing about Kimi and have never even spoken to him.