So are you saying that Piquet screwed Massa out of the championship?????Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
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So are you saying that Piquet screwed Massa out of the championship?????Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Sadly in this day and age it is believe that when the accused does not put up a defense it is as good and admitting guilt....
Better to own up and say we did it then to forever cast doubt upon yourself, if that is what Renault are doing...
Also has anyone considered the Flavio and Symonds stepped down to protect the workers future at Renault???
Yea I didn't think so. :)
Outcome of a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. (Sorry, I don't know how to bold stuff).Quote:
Originally Posted by rabf1
ROTFLMFAO :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
I just snorted Tea reading that.
Bad Uncs. Bad!!!
Some relevant thoughts from Joe Saward: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...e-and-symonds/
I wonder if Symonds took the immunity deal in time...
A couple of points re: Briatore have just come to mind:
1) What happens to his football involvement with Bernie Ecclestone with the English club, Queens Park Rangers? Surely the English FA wont want or wont allow such a senior figure who will seemingly be convicted of cheating in a major sporting event/championship to be active in their championship.
2) Briatore's driver management programmes/deals are well reknowned in F1/motorsport circles.....what happens to all those guys??
absolutely stunning.
I beleive Renault want to stray in F1 and made a decision accordingly.
It is akin to the spygate saga. Admit guilt and move on in a no-win situation.
I'm pretty sure Flav and symonds will continue tiehr pursuit of the piquets and this is not the end of the matter.
As to NPJr, he is toast. As he will not get employed by any team, and will most likely receive some sort of lengthy ban as well. That's why the whole thing is a schamm from the start. giving immunity to the driver is like giving immunity to the killer. no matter who ordered the hit or the circumstance.
i hear what he is saying, but F1 results since MM has been in charge have always been subject to controversy with strange decisions by the stewards affecting results many times over. So to me I race situation with Renault is nothing compared to years of McLaren bias, or Ferrari favoritism or dubious decisions by the FIa that have caused plenty of issues for so called betting folks, teams, drivers and fans alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
Not at all. Many people around here saw it like this for weeks now.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
What happened today proves that Piquet was right and that Flavio's word is not worth a dime. The French prosecution will not even pick up the case IMO.
Not at all he's got immunity from the FIA, the way Alonso, Lewis and Pedro got it 2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
And don't forget that he would still be a very very rich toast anyway. :D
I know you're sour over having Alonso's Singapore win turned into a cheating parade, but hey life's not easy and even the most beautiful roses have thorns. :p
As it was before Max became president of the FIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I wonder what would have Vatanen done? Sweep it under the carpet in a try to improve F1's image? I doubt he would have been up to taking the fight to Flav and Renault like Max did in this case.
If Piquet threatened to take the information about Singapore to the FIA unless he got something in return (i.e. staying with Renault), it still is blackmail even if (rather, especially if) the information as such is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
To give you a better example: If someone tells his neighbor that he would go to the police and tell them the neighbor beats his wife unless the neighbor gave him 1000 $, he committs blackmail even if the neighbor is indeed a wife-beater.
As I said in my previous post, it's Piquet's word against sweaty Flab's word. Now sweaty Flab has lied to the FIA and as such his word is already not as credible as Piquet's word. I don't see how the French authorities would go ahead knowing that the plaintiff has already lied once in this affair.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm99
And there is also the small matter of Flav starting legal action only 2 month after the alleged blackmailing occurred and apparently only in an attempt to discredit the Piquets who just gained a lot of credibility.
Flavio has got no case anymore.
"Now sweaty Flab has lied to the FIA and as such his word is already not as credible as Piquet's word."
Well, PiquetJr did say the crash was an accident at the time. So he is a liar too.
Sorry mate but there is no evidence at this point that Flav has lied. I agree with you that it looks very likely he's up to his neck in it but we have to stay with the facts as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Nelson, as Rab says, has admitted his deception.
What is the evidence that Flav participated in ordering the crash?
Not a in a written official statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabf1
You know there is a difference between lying to the press and lying to the authorities.
Just wait until Monday. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
asumming that flav leaving is actually true, which being reported by the beeb looks pretty likely now IMO, then the fact that they resigned says it all. why on earth would they resign if not guilty?Quote:
Originally Posted by rabf1
Flav, and maybe symmonds depending on how much he was involved, managed to ruin the reputation of renault F1, damage the car manurfacturers reputation, and ruin all their hard work when Flav and Pat just wanted to win whatever the cost, which they probably wil duly pay now, cheating their way to victory and asking one of their own drivers to risk his own life. Piquet was stupid enough to go through with it as well. well done you three, excellent job :rolleyes:
But i for one, say good riddance Flav, cheating ruthless horrible racist careless barst.....
There is a difference between what you tell the viewing public and what you say when questioned by the authorities. An Piquet didn't ly to the authorities unlike Flavio apparently did.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
BTW what about what Lewy did in Australia and Malaysia?! Does he have any credibility with you? I'm just curious, you know about what was discussed in the 'Forum protocol' thread. ;)
Love or hate him, before he steps down as the Master of FIA, Max Mosely seems to have gotten the last laugh! In a course of a year, he was able to puppeteer or witness the exit of his arch-enemies from F1 (ie. Ron Dennis & Flavio Briatore).
I wonder who's next on his chopping block? I guess Max is planning one hell of a retirement party. Leather and whips anyone?
"Piquet didn't ly to the authorities unlike Flavio apparently did"
I believe this is incorrect. He was questioned by the stewards and lied.
...yet. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
That's a good point. Do the FA have a "fit and proper" requirement, where a team cannot be owned by anybody who might bring the sport into disrepute? If Flavio is decreed "guilty" by the WMSC hearing, could his other sporting interests be in doubt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Giuseppe F1
Wow. I wasn't expecting this today. I thought this would be a long, drawn out affair with nothing being proved... but now this.
I find it pretty deplorable that this has happened in F1.
So when do we find out if Renault will be penalised as a team? Won't they be fined or expelled from the championship?
I've read some of Alonso's comments on the BBC website this afternoon about him being suprised by all this... but somehow I'm struggling to believe that he had no idea. Not impossible... just I'm not convinced yet that he didn't know.
:( I'm pretty shocked, actually, at this whole saga. I didn't think there was anything more than sour grapes, bad management or misunderstanding in all of this. Very disappointed.. and not at all sad to see the back of the "Flab".
I'm glad Flavio Briatore is gone and I'm sure he'll survive, he still has QPR after all. I wouldn't be surprised that now with the three people involved in this crash plot gone from the team that the punishment will be more lenient
Depends on who else Max thinks was behind the Nazi photos. Do you guys think it was Ron? Or Flav? My money would go for Italian mob and a paid job by Flav :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemmy-Boy
Didn't read about him lying to the stewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabf1
Please give us a link to where you read it.
i see your point on the Fotball thing, but if you think the FA, despite their posturing, give a flying fig who is in charge of Football clubs i suggest you read up on Chester City and the Vaughn Family - Flav is a knight in shining armour compared to that lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giuseppe F1
i do think that if Flav receives a ban of any sort from F1 his driver management deals will be included, although he'll skirt round them by offcially resogning from the management of the company that deals with it and manage it from behind the scenes
I didn't yet have time to read them but you'll find the full FIA dossier about the Singapore affair here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...e-hearing.html
Have a good lecture! :)
Dennis and Flavio got what was coming to him, but to praise Max is a bit rich, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemmy-Boy
Whether he was guilty of exhibiting disrespect towards Jews or not, his "activity" was creepy, disgraceful, and perhaps demented. His vote-of-confidence was not an affirmation of his good character, but ONLY a machiavellian (and I might add cowardly) measure taken by the panel.
remember, 'Snitches get stitches...' as they say in the 'hood... ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Well, I for one won't miss Flavio. If Schumacher's Ferrari and Hamilton's McLaren have been accused of favouring one driver, then IMO Briatore's teams have been the worst one-man-teams.
Losing Symonds is a more serious issue. During his long career he managed to build a good reputation as a top specialist in his area - a shame that it got tainted now.
I agree, at least Piquet told the truth in the end I wonder when will Lewis get to that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Unless Alonso was also involved...Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
Either he was unaware of their plot or he wasn't.
If he did know anything about it then he didn't care when he took the chequered flag.
Of course that wouldn't mean that Fernando himself was cheating or fixing races, but it would mean that he is directly related to it. If the team did all this behind Alonso's back, then he should leave (if he isn't already).
As for Massa, well it's up to him as to whether he wants to sue Fattio.
See you in a couple of weeks guys.
I read the "dossier" papers in the link posted above. The stewards report says that they were unable to say that Flav new about the plan.
...because all the other owners are fine upstanding gentlemen....????Quote:
Originally Posted by Giuseppe F1
WT
That's an interesting question!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Formula 1 has lost. It has always been great to have Briatore around and he made both the Bennetton and Renault team what they were. A great atmosphere with rock music and fun yet still able to get on with the task.
People have gotten too crazy about this issue. After all it was no more serious than Michael Schumacher ramming into Damon Hill or trying to do the same to Jacques Villeneuve.
And which racing team has never tried to bend the rules to breaking point or in years gone by when tv was not so intrusive sort of "knocked" into a another driver on the back end of a circuit?
And what occurrs in Vegas stays in Vegas - a previous season's issues should remain closed but instead we have this typical nanny state investigation ready to blow up.
And Nelson Piquet - if ever there was a spoilt little bitch that should never be given the chance to sit in a f1 racing car again, then he is the bitch.
I wish Flavio and Symonds well. Their record of achievement and the enjoyment they have provided fans over the years far outweighs this overblown saga.
The Renault company panicked and in doing so it has destroyed the structure of a race winning and championship able team.
I see absolutely no reason now for Alonso to remain at Renault and predict that they will likely become also-rans unless they can hire someone like Dave Richards of Pro-Drive.