So does this mean you keep drool all by yourself?:PQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I am a 50% Ferrari fan now so I guess I'm allowed to post 50% of what I want... that's a shame, I left out the more interesting half.
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So does this mean you keep drool all by yourself?:PQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I am a 50% Ferrari fan now so I guess I'm allowed to post 50% of what I want... that's a shame, I left out the more interesting half.
Just out of curiosity: How would the Tifosi feel about Michael driving for Mercedes?
I think that would be excellent for formula1. That would really make 2010 something to look forward to. But could guys like ioan start hating Schumi now that he drove for the enemy?
Hell, that could drive someone mad. If he wasnt already :)
I wouldnt mind. He raced for them in sportscar races etc before F1 so why not again? Just to see him in action again would be enough for me, even if he drove a donkey cart :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
As long as it's not McLaren it's fine for me. :p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Personally, I'd rather not see Michael return because I think, at 41, his best days are yesterdays days and having retired once with his legend undisputed, anything after that will be an anti-climax.
I don't buy the Mercedes story either, but stranger things have been known.
You never know.....he could be planning his own version of the "Damned United"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Damned_Utd
I'm continually puzzled about what is the point of this Ferrari fans thread. It keeps doing rounds around some retired drivers, which shouldn't matter any more at all. The more critical question should be whether 2009 was a one-off for Ferrari or are they in a more serious slump in terms of the ability of challenging for the title. :p :
Yes, MS is retired as an F1 driver, but he still works for.....wait for it.....Ferrari. The thread is about Ferrari and all things Ferrari :) Where does the problem lie then with discussing MS :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Why cant he return to racing and have some fun? Do golf players just give up golf because they get too old? No, they join the seniors tour or play for the fun of it. MS has nothing further to prove. If he wants to have some fun racing again, I say go boy go!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I'd say Ferrari are in a longer period of doldrums but the factor of Alonso, the best driver in f1 today, cannot be underestimated.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
And just as Mclaren have their technology team and organization, RBR Adrian Newey, Ferrari now have the core that always works for them: the best driver on the grid.
It will be unusual if they are not competitive in 2010.
Especially since they totally abandoned development during 2009 season, making it possible to work on the 2010 car for Mr. SantAlonso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Depends on what to discuss about MS. :) It certainly doesn't look like his role as an advisor has been much discussed here!Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
As for 2010 performance, I have to say like I think I have mentioned somewhere else already - the outcome of the reshuffling in the team is still unclear and may have a negative effect. Ferrari may have the mentioned Alonso, but the basis of success of an F1 team is much more complicated than that and even Ross Brawn hasn't achieved what he has singlehandedly. Prost, who was rated as the smartest driver of all, could only watch his team struggling in 1991.
Maybe it was Michael's role as an advisor that delayed the dip Ferrari had post-Schumi-in-the-cockpit?Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Had he not been there, it is doubtful that Massa would have had the support of the team that he appears to have gained, since Felipe has not come across as being a hard-nose in the manner of Michael, Fernando, Lewis, etc.
Had Felipe not become defacto team leader, Ferrari didn't have one in the other car, so the momentum carried over from the Todt-Schumacher-Brawn days could well have been lost even more quickly than it was.
I see the signing of Fernando by Ferrari as the management attempting to introduce a catalyst to refire the direction of the team. I think that Ferrari see in Fernando somebody who can identify who he wants to work with, much in the same way Michael & Jean did.
Lightning might not strike twice, but the Fernando factor was a move that Ferrari had to make.
Having only one motivated racer was not an option, for sure! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
And a large pay off from a Spanish bank was very nice too. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Let's just say that Ferrari could have easily paid off Kimi without the help of Santander, given that they used to operate on 300+ million USD and next year there is a reduced budget agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I'm not buying into Santander having a say in Kimi being sidelined story.
A somewhat simplistic view and somewhat illuminating of your inconsistent knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
The F2005/Bridgestone car/tyre combination was woefully short on the R25/Michelin car/tyre combination throughout 05, and the 248 was, until halfway through the 06 season, not capable of matching/beating the R26 other than at Imola, a race where Michael still could make the difference.
Despite the R26 being a better car for 50% of the races, Michael was still more than capable of winning races he shouldn't....China 06, his last win, being ample proof of that.
Come to think of it, when did your young pup last win from 6th on the grid?
After all, if he hasn't done that, his entire career to date is a bit of an anti-climax.
Winning from the front row isn't hard. Even Jarno Trulli has done it.
Did I miss MS being beaten by Felipe like Kimi was?! :/Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You see we use the same yardstick for both, their team mate, objective enough IMO.
Yes. That is the risk they took. But it was not the time spent that made Brawn what it was, but the idea and implimentation thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Remember, Red Bull Racing was the team that did their work the latest.
That is why I think that Alonso is the essential ingredient. Its the way that Ferrari function and have done so since they were rescued and their entire thinking restructured by Niki Lauda.
Ferrari do well when they have at their core the best driver - and Alonso is not the best, but the ONLY driver than can do it for them once the car has been produced.
In the Ferrari this year - and WHAT a waste of Alonso ability 2009 was - Ferrari would have won more than one grand prix and beaten Mclaren. And Massa does appear to be the driver that can keep up with the Spanish ace.
I have the feeling that Massa will be stronger than ever when he returns.
:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Alonso would not have won one race with the 2009 Ferrari.
IMO he might have won in Hungary, but not in Belgium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Right, it was the time + 3 windtunnels + more than 700 people working around the clock + like 750 million Euro from Honda and a push from the FIA! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
You see I fully agree, time enough can't make anything it just goes by without use.
Stop cherry picking facts, we are talking about season results not the occasional race.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You really can't compare things so directly. When Massa came into Ferrari it was very much Michael's team, when Kimi came there, Massa was well-settled and had one learning year behind him. Things are not as simple as you make them out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
ON to other things.....What do you think the prospects are for Ferrari next year? IMO, thinking logically, Alonso is going to beat recovering Massa, since the accident is bound to have some sort of an after-effect no matter what people say. IMO the car will probably be good since the technical team is still almost as strong as in Michael's days. My biggest question mark is the organisation and leadership. Will Montezemolo allow Domenicali to lead the team if there are bumbs on the road? Is he capable of doing that?
...like FM's job was to beat MS...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It was the basic concept of the car that won. Adrian Newey had far less time and the team had less resources than Ferrari and Mclaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Time will refine it only.
Hungary? Why? KR was very impressive that day, but still stood no chance against Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Alonso hardly would have been better.
No, Alonso is the class of the F1 grid. He will beat Massa because he is a better driver than Massa, accident or no accident. And remember that I am a Massa supporter and still believe Alonso has too much ammo for the Brazilian.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Fiction?! Why do you use words that you do not understand? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Alonso is indeed the class of the grid after Hamilton (based on facts) but Massa's accident will certainly have an effect on his performance, that was the point I was trying to made.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
After a brief calm period, you seem to be at it again :rolleyes: .Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Must be because some people don't know what they are talking about. And I'm not talking about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Btw..
Why "Luca the Ferrari Boss" are speaking so much b*** s*** about Kimi ?
and why Kimi are not doing the same about him?
Maybe Luca is concerned that he didn't right ting kicking him out :)
A comment from Luca:" Kimi wasn´t a team player as Felipe and the other great champions are". Felipe the team player. ha ha!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
Some people never understand! :rolleyes: :\
So if he is class of the field, why has he been beaten by two of the current F1 drivers in equal cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Lewis OK, who is the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Trulli, 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Hmm, didn't Alonso overtook him in standings prior to the driver's change at the team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
How? Fernando came out ahead in points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
When Briatore dumped Trulli, Trulli was still ahead of Alonso.