Unfortunately she blotted her copybook at the end of the F1 Forum by revealing the result of the MotoGP race - but very good apart from that!Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
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Unfortunately she blotted her copybook at the end of the F1 Forum by revealing the result of the MotoGP race - but very good apart from that!Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
Odd that as Cox and Parish were good at Superbikes, but then again Cox was brilliant at BTCC commentary. I vote for the Moody/Ryder combo for MotoGP, rather than that "and a half laps" Harris moron. I stopped watching MotoGP in 2000 cos of him and I've never gone back since.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOODSPEED
Cox is funny in small doses or for a highlights show, but he'd do your head in commentating on a full F1 race.
Any of you guys complaining about BBC coverage should try Speed TV! If you want to simulate it then try turning off the TV for 3 - 4 mins every 2 or 3 laps - no exageration - to simulate the add breaks. To make it even more interesting try to time this with something exciting about to happen. Speed TVs dismal coverage is only made worse by the same adds over and over. The commentary team do there best though. I don't know if the UK had the same tv feed as the US but the first half of the race we spent watching the Japanese drivers ignoring the front runners. Fortunately Kobayashi provided some excitement, but Yamamoto!
No thanks, I've seen some of it on YouTube!Quote:
Originally Posted by shazbot
Speaking personally, I'm not complaining about the BBC but occasionally offering some consructive criticism of the few areas where they could improve otherwise excellent coverage. It's night and day better than what we used to have with ITV.
Point taken! I'm very happy that the worst we have to complain about is that of the two commentaries we have a choice between, one of them's rather mediocre :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shazbot
I thought that too. It almost seems like Legard's bringing down Brundle too. I almost fell asleep during that race until the technical difficulties happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyTom
They really need to reconsider Legard for next season.
Living in Ireland, I don't get 5Live coverage. Though I would be interested to hear snippets of Ant and Crofty's take on commentating.
Charlie Cox can be a bit of a headfull indeed. Ben Edwards would be the perfect man for the job. If not him, I'd be content with giving James Allen another go.
Living in Ireland, I don't get 5Live coverage. Though I would be interested to hear snippets of Ant and Crofty's take on commentating.
Charlie Cox can be a bit of a headfull indeed. Ben Edwards would be the perfect man for the job. If not him, I'd be content with giving James Allen another go.
With Canada getting BBC coverage when the sound went down we just had a picture. At first not even car sounds and then for a while the cars but no commentary. Didn't really miss the commentarty.
When TSN here goes to commercial we get side by side but the less than half size picture is very hard to follow. I have a 32 inch screen. Our commercials run for close to 5 minutes it seems.
TSN start coverage 5 minutes before the start so we get no pre race show and they often cut the post race show sometimes literally in mid word. To-night they went to stick and ball talking heads as soon as the interviews were over.
Qualifying was shown on TSN2 which I do not get.
When qualifying was originally scheduled they just showed a taped boxing show with no explanation of the cancellation.
Thanks to the internet I was expecting it.
Speed coverage is blacked out in Canada.
Ask and you shall recieve :beer: A direct comparison someone posted after qualifying in TurkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by 52Paddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikasr6UkqY8
Yeah, I should probably start listening to the 5 live commentary from now on :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
There were quite a few technical problems today - water in the electrics perhaps?
Ah yes, Ben is very good, I enjoyed his A1 commentary and also his BTCC now. He's done the F1 review DVDs for a number of years now so his foot is in the door, but then again how tight is his ITV contract? They allowed him to go to Sky for the A1 but would they let him go to BBC?Quote:
Originally Posted by 52Paddy
Ben and Martin Brundle together would make an excellent team but you need guys who can keep you entertained while you watch the procession. The best guys I ever heard on that regard were Keith Heuwen (spell? - what ever happened to this guy?) and Julian Ryder back in the late 90s for MotoGP and Superbikes.
As for James, well, er no thanks... He tried too much to be Murray.
Only time I would tolerate Cox in F1 would be for the F1 reviews a la Clive JamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Tasty stuff! They make even the most processional moments entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
True, but at least he knew what he was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce D
I'd give Cox a try, his use of metaphor and off the cuff style would work for F1. Rather than Legard who just reacts to everything by saying "what happened there?!??!" You tell me, Jonathan, your the bloody commentator!
Ben Edwards I'm not a huge fan, too dull. James Allen - can't beleive someone said he is worth another go??! He had 8 years to get it right and was crap! It is only because Legard is so bad that it is even being suggested.
Give Charlie Cox a go. If he can rekindle the BTCC commentaries he used to do, then that would be fantastic.
Legard needs to go. He does not engage the casual viewer, and he is pretty inept at accurately describing anything that isn't bleedingly obvious. How hard is it to find some guy who can bounce off Brundle who can read what is happening on the track competently?
On a side note, I must applaud Channel Seven for their V8 Supercar coverage, where they regularly have Neil Crompton, Matt White and Mark Skaife as commentators with Mark Larkham being the official technical guy.
Neil Crompton and Mark Skaife are in my mind, some of the best commentators of any sport in the world right now. They have chemistry, they're engaging, informative, insightful and don't treat you like an idiot when explaining the finer aspects of racing.
There's something which I don't like about Crompton - not all the time but certain occassion there's a sense of arrogance that he's the be all and end all with regards to racing in V8SC. Skaifey definitely senses something similar because he enjoys ripping into Crompo and you can tell that there are times when Crompo sounds a bit upset at Skaifey's retort.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
But on the whole its mostly in good jest and great fun to listen to.
Still miss Leigh Diffy though
Still, I think we're all agreed that was Legard's best Saturday of the season so far ;)
Exactly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
I don't know if Cox could ever be as good as Clive James, his commentaries are the reason why I am very knowledgeable about the '82, '84 and '86 seasons as he did the narration, injected it with a mix of insight, whit and comment. I remember the 2000 review being done by a bloke that sounded like Barry Scott off the Cillit Bang advert!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I found that review particularly humurous just listening to that annoying bloke, wheoever he may be....Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
I guess he is the same guy as the person who does Inside Grand Prix too.
BANG, and the dirt is gone!Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
Although it isn't quite that easy........
Most of my knowledge of Formula 1 before 1993 comes from a friend in my University days loaning me all of the highlights videos from something like 1979 up to the present day.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
The quality of them is variable to say the least, but I did enjoy the Clive James ones "The race for the Big Prize, never stops!"
5 Live commentary came on during the race. Did anyone else notice? The picture went blank, then I heard Croft keeping tabs on Kobayashi and Davidson pulling some funny one-liners. Unfortunately, the commentary went back to Legard and it almost put me to sleep. Kobayashi made veterans look like the Cabbage Patch Kids and Legard still sucked at commentating.
It is mentioned further up this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Legard could have already had his future told by the BBC and a satellite glitch, water in the works or whatever it was could have sealed his fate. There are several possible replacements who could and would do a better job!
All conjecture, but there are some interesting tweets from Ben Costanduros (@BenConsty ) today:
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STILL loads of speculation about commentators for 2011 in BBC. Interestingly ITV are desperate to get THIER 2011 team signed for BTCC...
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I would have Crofty and Ant (not sure he wants the Coms label) or Ben E and Johnny H. My hunch is we will see a full change for diff reasons
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i know nothing except ITV are keen to sign up people for 2011.... could mean we dont get Ben cos he is tied to ITV....who knows
A sterling job from the BBC today, staying with the coverage for nearly 6 hours in total if you include the forum.
But what was the deal with DC being at the McLaren Technlogy Centre? Interesting though it was to see behind the scenes, they weren't allowed to show anything remotely interesting while any sessions were in progress, and they buddied DC with the most humourless employee they could find who wasn't willing to say much at all on camera. Pretty pointless, in my opinion.
What was Legard like today? I had Crofty and Paffett, and they were on top form. Poor sods had a sore throat by the end of the race!
agreed as usual excellent coverage- sadly I missed the forum after the race. Legard was terrible today- several thousand miles away watching the TV I had a better idea of what was going on than he seemed to- they seemed late picking up on place changes- yet they must be seeing the same footage that I do. I switched to Crofty and Paffett and that was much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Interesting comment from Brundle a few races back when he said that yes they get the same feeds but his monitor was so tiny he couldn't make something out that was clear as day on the 19" TV my mum had in her kitchen (I'd been banished in there as she gets even stroppier than I do when her favourite Britney isn't doing well)Quote:
Originally Posted by djparky
Who provides the commentary booth equipment, the track or aunty as the five live boys appear to have better technology to use.
Ditto. He was rubbish. When Webber took Rosberg out and Rosberg was walking into the paddock Leggard completely got his name wrong, he said it was Button or Hamilton or someone else :crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by djparky
I saw a little bit of the midday replay. Legard commentated on Rosberg overtaking Hamilton, then a lap or so later suddenly announced "Rosberg's got past Hamilton somehow". Yes, we know, you mentioned it earlier, idiot. Don't you remember?
Then there was the time he said that a driver had STOPPED!!!!!! And because he wasn't talking about what we could see on the screen you had NO fricking idea whether their engine had blown up, their gearbox had packed it in or whether they were just making a routing pitstop. It was a routing piststop but for a good few seconds I had no idea wtf was going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
He just has an annoying habit of words that have double meanings and he also places too much emphasis on some words as well which makes you think that something exciting is happening when it's just business as usual.
Today sealed it for me - they've got to get rid of Legard next year. Absolutely hopeless, I could keep track of what's going on better than him.
you were not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
no Jonathon, that's not Button, that's Lewis. Massa has just passed Lewis, and Jenson is further back. etc.
It's frustrating to listen to Legard, almost made we switch to Dutch broadcast with commercials!
Also, McLarens 'Mission Control' (sounds like a 90's eurodance pop group) feature was pointless, but at least they've tried. It also made me think how F1 is wasting a lot of money on more or less unnecessary things, I mean do they really need 15 people (or more) in that room?
I found it interesting to see the kind of set up that McLaren have away from the usual stuff that we see, I hadn't realised quite what a large operation each race was.
And yes Legard was extra rubbish today, he really didn't have much of a clue about what was happening.
I think Legard's clearly taken all the criticism onboard. He was sounding over enthusiastic when some of the backmarkers crashed and he was trying to overegg Petrov's crash (I'm sorry, it was not that big).
The only problem is, it's just not natural for him. I hope somebody new comes in for next year
When you lot had to do the big switch from BBC One to Two, what would have been on BBC One that was so important that it simply couldn't be shifted?