How often has it happened that a privateer or a M2 car have won a rally? Citroen won't allow it, and especially not a old Xsara beating the new C4. And I guess Malcolm Wilson is pretty strict in that case too..
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How often has it happened that a privateer or a M2 car have won a rally? Citroen won't allow it, and especially not a old Xsara beating the new C4. And I guess Malcolm Wilson is pretty strict in that case too..
I hear that Solberg is in Ireland, he is negociating with Den Motorsport for a 2.4 Mk2 Escort.
It must be true as noone would make something like that up. ;)
That's because M2 privateers have not been good enough to take wins. Duval was allowed to beat Hirvonen in Germany so I guess he could have won if he had been fast enough to beat Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
As long as Citroen has retired or they are behind, and the WRC standings allows it... Sure.. WRC has become a mafia sport! Lets hope the new WRC gets better with closer fights, and more different winners..Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
I think if Wilson suspects that Petter beats his drivers he would have very good reason to use Petter's service. In this case he would have a driver that is capable to fight Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
Yes because it was not Malcolm's car Duval was driving in Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
I cant hardly wait what the excuses will be, if the guy is off pace :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
I think you're absolutely right here, the problem now is that I think it is somewhat uncertain which level Petter is on. How much of the poor results the last 3-4 years is due to the Impreza, and how much is driver related? I guess there will be an indication in Rally Irland, it will be very, very interesting to see Atkonsons' pace there! If one should assume that the things he have said about the C4 is correct, he will be very, very close to the fastest drivers - and where would Petter be, on Loebs' level?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
Or more likely, right behind Atkinson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
By the way! Duval was in a M1 car in Germany!Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
No he wasnt....Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
If its money worries Petter has, he could always do a Guy Willks and sell shares of himself to pay for a WRC drive!
Yes, and neither is Petter's car if he will get Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
My mistake...Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
He was M1 in Catalunya and Corsica ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
From whom would he be getting it then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
Wilson has nothing to loose. If Petter is not so fast what's the problem? In any case he is faster than other paying privateers. I wonder how Petter's presence could prevent Hirvonen or Latvala to beat Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
I guess that the only reason why Wilson wouldn't offer Petter the best possible car is related to his egoistical tendencies, in other words irrational bias to show or believe that his "chosen ones" have been the best possible choise. Overally Malcolm gives impression of smart person but in ego-related issues he might be little stubborn (as the case of his son Matthew shows)
In rallies like Ireland or Monte Carlo Atkinson used to be faster than Petter with last Impreza. In my view Atkinson could realistically beat Sordo in Ireland but because he has had only one test-day in the car it's probably too difficult task.
How fast Petter really is? Some people here seems to think that Petter has lost his touch. I rather see that Petter's little regression during last year was related to his mental problems and unconfidende with the car. When the new car came in it seemed to me that Petter was generally ahead of Atkinson. In my view there is every reason to believe that Atkinson is as fast driver as Latvala and Hirvonen. The impression that Petter has lost totally his touch is just illusion that is created by Subaru's poor performances. Obviously last year Petter was not at the level he was in 2004 (the fastest driver on gravel). But I guess that with competitive car Petter is likely to recover from his slight regression.
From Wilson?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Perhaps they mean RamsportQuote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
It can be things like contract issues, or Petter is not willing to pay what Wilson want or what ever as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
Why do you insist on posting a link to your bog with rumours that Petter has already says are false himself? I don't want to do a Tom206WRC but I'm going to use the " :mad: " smiley......Quote:
Originally Posted by swordsman
:mad:
Fair enough if you're posting news but stop promoting your site, posting stuff that's already been posted or stuff that has been proven to be false at this point in time! It's ****ing annoying....
I have no doubts in Petter. Besides Loeb he is the only current driver, who has proved himself to be a genuine top driver, having also won a title. And what is with all that talk he is "past his prime"? Well, he is similarly aged as Loeb, who is continually at the top. Grönholm fought for the title at the age of 39, Auriol and Sainz managed it in their 40's. Etc. Bottom line is, Petter has proven to be a top driver and his days are far from being numbered. Don't see any reason, why should Malcolm hesitate. If there is anyone, who could realistically challenge Loeb for the title, then Solberg is the best bet.
Great suggestion! "Scrooge" Solberg will like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by G249XDP
Are you a moderator or forum sheriff or whatever? Whats next, banning swordsman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Guys,you are saying that "if Petter would get a proper C4 he would win rallys and be champion!!!!" ,you cant know that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally I think he "lost it",although I would love to be proven wrong,I am a fan of him and his character :D
I think that specially since Atko outpaced him last year (they were close in pace,but Atko was way more reliable)
He spent 3 years in an uncompetitive car,but this is a world-class sport with world-class drivers and billions of euros and pounds in it.If you get even one step behind,you have a very hard path to make one step forwards
Just be patient and we will all see the best possible criteria of whether he lost it or he still has it : Stage times
So we should just stand idly by while people choke the forum with advertisements for their sites and spamming? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
A very thorough and good analysis - in which I mostly agree. Thumbs up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
I don't think anyone has stated that if only a C4 he will be champion...Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
I also think you're way off by saying that Atko outpaced Petter, without going through all the rallies counting fastest times, I'm pretty sure that when there wasn't any technical problems, Petter was mostly faster than Atko. Not by much, but still.
What I agree completely, is that I wish Petter a competetive car - so that he has he chance to show that he hasn't lost it!
I really hope he gets a competitve car and the stage times will show us.
Off topic:How old is Atko?
30 later this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
Thanks ;)
He lost by 2 points to Atko. But I don't believe last season's points tell the whole truth. The situation was much easier to Atko who is not used to winning than to Petter who was more frustrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
2007 Petter did very good stage times at times but was not consistent. In my view Petter lost little bit during 2008. In terms of stage times only year 2008 suggests that Petter's personal speed was not at the sharpest end (style of Loeb or Grönholm). But I guess 2008 was only temporary regression (caused by frustration and lack of trust to the car).
Thats entirely your own view, so please do not use "we". Nobody else have expressed this view, and I sincerely dislike your tone against swordsman. It`s not the first time you`re on a mission to "arrest" a fellow forumer. I really think you should leave that to the moderators!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I actually believe that Atkinson is more talented driver than for instance Hirvonen. If someone compares Hirvonen's and Atkinson's first years in Subaru there is no question which one was better (Hirvonen was even more experienced at the time).
Others have expressed the same feelings at this person constantly posting links to their blog :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
I sincerely dislike your tone against me as well so ner :dozey:
I agree. Most here didn't have the chance to follow Chris' ARC career and he really had a great attitude and style when he was there, with better equipment he will do well I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
From that point of view its easy to agree, but Hirvonens bad preformance at Subaru has a lot to do with the thing, that he was not the driver choise that Richards wanted, he was Subarus choise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finni
Both subaru guys (petter and chris) become way better drivers in those bad subaru years. Why? If you have bad car you need to go over limit to compete, and now with proper car both are closer to loeb then hirvonen. just my thinking
Hirvonen is a nice guy, but come on he hugged Loeb in JKLA after Loeb beat him on home soil. OK shake his hand, but I think Sebastien knew then, and always that Mikko will be no threat to him ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by leno
JML is another matter.......... IF he can stay on the road. I think Petter in a Ford will be a closer challenger to Loeb than Mikko, but I suspect Malcolm will not allow that.
Why do you affirm Petter IN A FORD ??? :rolleyes: