Congratulations to the Citroën-Sport team !!! The cars and drivers were totally reliable this time :bounce:
Great result for Chris Atkinson also, his third podium of the year :)
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Congratulations to the Citroën-Sport team !!! The cars and drivers were totally reliable this time :bounce:
Great result for Chris Atkinson also, his third podium of the year :)
Looking at final results of this rally it is hard to tell if one should laugh or cry
A good performance from Loeb, again.
But, Rautenbach finishes the rally in 4th place and loses over 20 minutes to Loeb?? This is just pathetic, really shows how low the WRC can go... :(
pretty boring event.....things now look grim for the young kids at ford.....but they have plenty of rallies on their surface to come, they have to work hard to narrow the gap.
Great job by atko once more !!!! well done !!!
Yes, great win by Loeb. Very deserved!
And great job by Citroën with 3 cars in top 4.
And Red Bull are sponsors on the winning car in both WRC and PWRC. Great result for them as well.
Loeb is the first person to win Rally Argentina four times in a row.
The superspecial stage was fun to watch.
In 1985, during the "Golden Age" of Group B, the number four in Argentina was one hour back on the winner (ok, the rally had 2.5 times more stage distance), and that number four was multiple Safari winner Shekhar Mehta in a works Nissan. Perceptions of the highs and lows of WRC rallying tend to change with time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Harde
Indeed. Close finishes and short gaps between placings on the long, rough events were all but unheard-of.Quote:
Originally Posted by kabouter
great to see another podium for atkinson, was pleased with citroens, at least miko bagged some points, still along way to go
And also night stages, right? and with that kind of weather....Quote:
Originally Posted by kabouter
Think the pont here is maybe the lack of competitiveness from much of the "field", right?
To be fair, Argentina never used to be a very competitive rally, because the entry list of works cars always tended to be poor. I don't think 2008's event was a particular low point.
This would have all ended much better had Petter got 2nd...
It would have made the chase for 2nd in the drivers race much closer, and got Subaru 14 manufacturer points.
The next rally won't come quickly as I'll keep thinking what could have been if Petter had not had mechanical probs here and in Mexico (he would have been on 23 points!) - I'll need to drown my sorrows tonight - and I'm only 16! Don't report me :)
You are 16 ps29. And it is sunday... :s
Well well, it is your call ;)
I don't remember knowing any other kids my age during high school that follow the 18yo rule. Just don't binge drink.
stop telling me his statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Don't trash your brain cells already. At least wait until college. Trust me, college babes > high school burnouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Anyway, I'm also really pissed off that the S12 crapped out on Petter once again. I woke up, rolled out of bed, and groaned when I read the news. I'm getting sick of being so optimistic.
I jinxed it!Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Excuse my statement. Petter is now 2-4 in points with no podiums.
He got a hole in the Radiator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Anybodie knows where I can watch SSS stage?I haven't chance to watch it live.Anybodie knows where is that video?
The Second You've SaidQuote:
Originally Posted by COD
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Originally Posted by Magnus
Perhaps just a coke now I've calmed down a bit!
My folks just got home and wondered why there were holes in the wall! They didn't accpet my reason that it was because Petter retired!
Couldn't agree more. This rally was a complete waste of time. Next one please! (it's third or fourth time when I say that, getting bored to watch 2nd class drivers to lose over ten minutes to winner) :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
I am happy I had a busy weekend with another things to do. I didn't missed this rally. :sQuote:
Originally Posted by COD
What does '2-4 in points with no podiums' mean? Is it some WRC talk I've yet to hear of?Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Well deserved win from Loeb, nice to see Atkinson doing good result too, hopefully the new car brings him chances to really go for the win.
I can see why so many people have little interest in WRC its a total joke now..I wonder if it will ever be great again like the 80's and 90's I doubt it very much......
What exactly did Loeb win this weekend? A event with only 20 stages and no opposition for most of the event oh yes he must feel great!!!
2 rallies out of 4 with points, but Petter has not scored any podiums. Clear?Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
I don't like to be a pessimist, but I agree with you. The sooner the new regulations come in the better - the WRC needs a shot in the arm, very quickly!Quote:
Originally Posted by ste898
Interestingly, my brothers said that Rally Argentina had been mentioned on Sky Sports News - which is unusual. They then said about Maradona's trip with Loeb - just sums up the WRC, doesn't it?
Really? The highlight of Rally Argentina was Loeb giving a soccer player a little ride-along.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
and you have never made a single mistake in life???Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Yes the WRC is currently in a bit of a sorry state but what do you want Conrad to do... stop and say 'na, I don't deserve these points...'
Don't be daft... he drove to finish, to gain experience and maanged to keep his nose clean... unlike the others! He's a fast learner and will get better!
WRC is dead.
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Originally Posted by Fischer
I will second that after this weekend!!!
Well... he cannot get worse, thats a certainty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Audimadgeoff
I hope you say the same in the next Ford rally win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ste898
I´m sure he doesn´t...he would like to have real competition then the one he has.Quote:
ste898
I can see why so many people have little interest in WRC its a total joke now..I wonder if it will ever be great again like the 80's and 90's I doubt it very much......
What exactly did Loeb win this weekend? A event with only 20 stages and no opposition for most of the event oh yes he must feel great!!!
In this weekend won, not only Loeb+skills, but also Citroën+reability.
Ford lost everything.
In the couple of years ago, there was the lucky and the "special" tyres from BF to Citroën. Now WRC is dead. WRC will be alive again when your brand/pilot win again.
Are you tired about S.Loeb? Blame the competition, not the best ones.
I'm not usually one to defend the modern WRC, but I think we need to get things into perspective here. Have a look at the results on RallyBase for Argentine rallies going back to the early 1980s — http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?ty...&rallytype=Arg. The range of leading contenders every time was deeply unimpressive, with one or more works teams not even making the trip each year. It used to be a very poorly supported event. At least it now gets what passes for a full works entry. As for the level of competition, well, what do we expect in 2008?
I can't agree with that. I don't 'support' any team or driver over all the rest, and I think the WRC in its current form is dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isthmus
Yes you're right, the dominance of one driver doesn't make the WRC boring but the lack of competition combined with one driver winning almost every rally (sometimes every stage of a rally) does.
When Makinen dominated there was atleast Sainz, McRae, Kankkunen, Auriol but now that Gronholm is gone Loeb's biggest opponent is his own mistakes and we all know Loeb does not make mistakes so quickly.
Looking back in history, it would be hard to describe this result as "boring" in relation to 30 years of WRC results.
The end result was nothing spectacular to the "No one gets near Loeb...,so it's boring" brigade, but that hardly pays any respect to the results for the others.
How gutted will Latvala and Hirvonnen be. Some small mistakes stole their rally away, and Mikko was going very well. Solberg must be gutted after sitting in a comfortable second, driving a car that was no good last season and is running well now, only to have it stolen by a few loose electrons.
Loeb had to work his butt off to get to where he was, and then hold it. It was no picnic for him at all.
Atkinson running so well in second, lost it until luck intervened.
I don't know how it could be boring to all the couch potatoes. I thought it was a great and hard rally. Life must be tough at the glowing end of a computer screen :-)
Congratulations to Loeb, Atkinson and Sordo, and to Rautenbach who must be feeling pretty good today. If the others fail to finish and you do finish, then the points and satisfaction are still yours.
True. Thing is I only posted that because one of the Rautenbach fans sent me a stupid PM trying to rub my face in the ****. At the end of the day in any other rally Conrad probably wouldn't have scored a point based on his performance this weekend. On the positive side he finished and got the experience he's after :up: Best thing would be if Bob gets the boot today as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audimadgeoff
I think that rallying just does not translate from a sport where you stand in a forest getting rained on and showered with **** to a sport where you can "be there" online and people have unrealistic expectations of it as a sport to follow online. I do think the WRC needs to become a sport which you can follow live online with eye in the sky type coverage as well as having proper coverage on the TV for those who don't want to follow in front of a PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler
The problem is that this result could happen anywhere and not just in Argentina. Back a few years years ago on a long haul event like Rally Australia you could see 15 works cars on the entry list.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
http://rallybase.nl/index.php?type=result&rallyid=321
The top 6 pretty much reads like a who's who of rallying in the 15 years or so. Notice that Antony Warmbold is 14th and not 4th like Conrad is today. But I guess I am merely pointing out the blindingly obvious because the bottom has pretty much fallen out of the WRC since the 3rd driver rule was dropped and we went down to 2 car teams and group N cars and also rans started getting points in rallies when it used to be the case where you'd have to be a works driver with skill and a good car under you to get points.
I am of the opinion that if the FIA thinks that S2000+ on it's own will take the WRC back to it's glory days then they're in for a nasty surprise.
Rautenbach has fans?