Rally Sweden 2023

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Originally Posted by AndersX

When watching vids from Swe upcoming stages, must admit - unfortunately boring roads around Umeå; possibly Östersund would have been able to offer smth more interesting. Hard to compare with good old Karlstad region roads.

About gent-drivers: this is clear on FIA table - out of balance situation - overcrowded Rally 2 category with very few top category seats.

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I´d wait to see.
Karlstad/Värmland region offered even faster roads than Finland. So there are interesting places where ever you go. Agree though Östersund would´ve been greatest solution.

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Originally Posted by flat_right

Overcrowded Rally 2? What does that even mean? I think Rally2 is in a very healthy situation at the moment. We have multiple drivers who can win, multiple manufacturers whose car can win. This is the situation we want in Rally1.

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My bad, wrong wording - the point was that the talent from R2 has no seats in R1, even in forseenable future, thus they get stucked there, while free-seats goes to Gent-drivers. Situation out of balance.

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Originally Posted by AndersX

My bad, wrong wording - the point was that the talent from R2 has no seats in R1, even in forseenable future, thus they get stucked there, while free-seats goes to Gent-drivers. Situation out of balance.

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Yes but Serderidis would/could drive even if M-Sport had three or four "normal" drivers.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I´d wait to see.
Karlstad/Värmland region offered even faster roads than Finland.

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Värmland roads had more character than in Umeå. There were crests and corners, variations on the roads from wide to narrow. Now we have just endless super fast forest roads - even two 25 km stages made up completely of them - but very little wide roads with crests and flowing bends. There's barely any jumps or crests anywhere. Also Värmland had awesome technical sections like the beginning of Vargåsen, without being super narrow between the trees like most of the technical sections in Umeå. At best, the Umeå roads resemble Arctic Rally Finland.

Unpopular idea: may be Rally Est would be better run in the winter untill swedes find smth more appropriate? Otepaa in winter would be rally wonderland.

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Originally Posted by AndersX

Unpopular idea: may be Rally Est would be better run in the winter untill swedes find smth more appropriate? Otepaa in winter would be rally wonderland.

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Roads are nice in general but we are also very dependent on the weather as was Värmland area. We were quite lucky actually now to have 3-4 days of cold and winter because before that and now we have spring again with + degrees.
Though I wouldn't be against it at all

Yeah, Estonia would be prone to same warm conditions as Värmland? Even more South than Torsby, and closer to sea.

Norway?

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Yeah, Estonia would be prone to same warm conditions as Värmland? Even more South than Torsby, and closer to sea.

Norway?

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Yes, we are more prone to warm weather

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Originally Posted by AndersX

My bad, wrong wording - the point was that the talent from R2 has no seats in R1, even in forseenable future, thus they get stucked there, while free-seats goes to Gent-drivers. Situation out of balance.

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It's not like any of the gentleman drivers today takes up any spots that otherwise would've gone to a big talent.

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Värmland roads had more character than in Umeå. There were crests and corners, variations on the roads from wide to narrow. Now we have just endless super fast forest roads - even two 25 km stages made up completely of them - but very little wide roads with crests and flowing bends. There's barely any jumps or crests anywhere. Also Värmland had awesome technical sections like the beginning of Vargåsen, without being super narrow between the trees like most of the technical sections in Umeå. At best, the Umeå roads resemble Arctic Rally Finland.

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Agree.
Last year they chose Umeå before Östersund.
But - Östersund really got all of Värmland and Umeå together...