Fox Hunting - Right or Wrong?

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Originally Posted by Hazell B

Raphael, I can't be bothered quoting you and answering. You're twisting words and implications far too much and taking life far too seriously.

By the way, I didn't stereotype townies when I said they get a country dog and then wonder why it isn't happy in town situations - Beans actually did just that. I note he's not been man enough to own up and explain that to you, so I have now. Five minutes of research on the subject and townies would know some types of country dog/life/thinking/etc just won't work in the suburbs. You should try reversing that raphael ;)

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That's rather disappointing you don't feel able to reply to my points, but not surprising as I don't think anyone can eventually win a discussion trying to prove that fox hunting is right.

I'm not sure what 'twisting' I have done. You were going on about how fox hunting helps keep's the number of foxes killing lambs etc down as an arguement for why fox hunting shouldn't be banned. All I did was point out that earlier in this topic you were providing figures to prove that that was not a valid arguement. I didn't twist anything, I can copy and paste what you said if you want to, it's there under your name :rolleyes:

Maybe I was wrong to say it's nice having a discussion with someone who knows what they are talking about, as refusing to reply isn't much of a discussion.

I'm still curious as to what posts are true and which of yours are lies. Are your earlier post, where you say not many foxes are killed, and not many jobs were lost true? or is it when you say fox hunting is important for pest control etc.

I'm sure you can forgive me for pointing out the fact you've made an arguement for fox hunting, which earlier you said was invalid. I don't think it's twisting. You just have to be grown up and admit it :)

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Originally Posted by Hazell B

Why not? You saw somebody torture a fox for fun and did nothing but tell us here and you think that's okay? I do not. You are covering up somebody's crime and allowing them to carry on acting like that. You are to blame as much as they are if it carries on, in my opinion.

Eki, that last picture shows just how crammed in those animals are. We don't like keeping them that way here. We're not so cold as Finland, so they'd be too warm half the time anyway.

Plus, if you've ever tried getting planning permission for anything in the UK countryside, you'd know there's not a hope in hell of building shelter for sheep in 80% or more of locations where they're kept. Moving them about between fields is bad enough with our busy roads and tight restrictions on movement, just imagine having to move them ten miles off a hillside to a town edge building to give birth .... then have the locals complain about the noise they make (they're really loud when they have lambs) and **** crap all over the roads.

There was a mass panic in York about a month ago when two little male calves got out of the auction centre. Armed police had to close the main road in and out, the A64, twice and shoot them in the end. The calves (or rampant bulls as the papers and TV news called them :rolleyes: ) where running around in a field two strong fences away from the road, yet the lads at the auction where told to just leave them and the police would deal with it - two weeks later as it happened - so imagine the fuss if a few sheep made a break and got on the roads. They ended up having armed police on pallets hoisted up on fork trucks stalking the calves for two full days in a field only 14 acres big :rolleyes:

Great practice for the police, but considering John the stockman had been sneaking them food over the gate and from his forktruck hardly worth the fuss :laugh:

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Good point, I work in the Planning Department in Swansea, which covers the Gower region in South Wales and getting planning permission for these barns Eki is proposing is never going to happen, unless you believe pigs can fly :rolleyes:

Eki, your not educated in this field it seems to be reasonable about it.

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Originally Posted by oily oaf

Eki. Please refrain from posting hardcore Welsh pornography in this thread :mad:

This is a family forum (drone)
You wouldn't catch me reproducing this kind of smutty.........(whine, simper)

PS I don't fancy yours much squire.

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I personally found that post rather amusing :laugh:

However, to be a bit of a party booper (as Ioan says lol), if this was against a race, you would probably be banned for that, or at least get people complaining.

I say that, because as soon as someone said Lewis's nickname should be 'The Flying Black' or something stupid like that, people were saying how wrong that was. But it's only negative if you see it as something negative. It's no different to 'The Flying Finn', unless you think being Finnish is something to be embarrassed about :p :

Anyway, just wanted to make a point :)

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Originally Posted by raphael123

I say that, because as soon as someone said Lewis's nickname should be 'The Flying Black' or something stupid like that, people were saying how wrong that was. But it's only negative if you see it as something negative. It's no different to 'The Flying Finn', unless you think being Finnish is something to be embarrassed about :p :

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No, someone said his nickname should be "The Black Man", because Kimi's is "The Ice Man". Wrong or not, nicknaming Hamilton "The Black Man" would be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans

No, someone said his nickname should be "The Black Man", because Kimi's is "The Ice Man". Wrong or not, nicknaming Hamilton "The Black Man" would be ridiculous.

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lol true. Would The Flying Black be ridiculous too?

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Originally Posted by raphael123

I don't think anyone can eventually win a discussion trying to prove that fox hunting is right.

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Why does a debate have to be won or lost. People have different opinions and no matter what want agree.

Hunting any animal is wrong and a fox is no execption. I dont care if it kills sheep, its there fault not keeping it safe

Thats your opinion, I don't agree

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Why does a debate have to be won or lost. People have different opinions and no matter what want agree.

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Your right, but generally in a 'debate', you try your best to show how your point of view is more 'right' than the other point of view. If you said you point, then the other person said theres, and you just said 'cool, let's agree to disagree' it wouldn't be much a debate :laugh: The whole point is to make your points, let the person counter those points and so on.

My main point against Hazell was the fact she said I was twisting things, after she used arguements to argue for fox hunting, which she had earlier said herself were invalid. In this instance, she couldn't really deny it, as it's there in black and white, hence why she said she couldn't be bothered I'm guessing.