George Zimmerman verdict just in . . .

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

ignoring the advice of a POLICE DISPATCHER .

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One more time.

It wasn't a Police dispatcher. it was a 911 operator. A 911 operator is a low-level, government job with no legal authority what so ever.
think of the most inept government employee you have ever dealt with.....now lower their IQ by 20 points....Bam! You have a 911 operator.

A 911 operator would tell a woman who was about to be raped to lay back and enjoy it. That is what they are told to do. They will never tell a citizen to fight back because the cops hate it when people actually protect themselves and 911 operators are paid through the police department.

Repeat after me; "Stay calm...Help is on the way"

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

One more time.

It wasn't a Police dispatcher. it was a 911 operator. A 911 operator is a low-level, government job with no legal authority what so ever.
think of the most inept government employee you have ever dealt with.....now lower their IQ by 20 points....Bam! You have a 911 operator.

A 911 operator would tell a woman who was about to be raped to lay back and enjoy it. That is what they are told to do. They will never tell a citizen to fight back because the cops hate it when people actually protect themselves and 911 operators are paid through the police department.

Repeat after me; "Stay calm...Help is on the way"

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I think it's more of a CYA move than anything else.

Also important to note at this juncture that not only was he never told to stay in his car, but that if he had stayed in his car we have zero evidence that trayvon would not have returned to attack "the cracker" there, too. Zimmerman had already said martin was circling his vehicle.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

I think it's more of a CYA move than anything else.

Also important to note at this juncture that not only was he never told to stay in his car, but that if he had stayed in his car we have zero evidence that trayvon would not have returned to attack "the cracker" there, too. Zimmerman had already said martin was circling his vehicle.

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zimmerman should have wait until the "Punk" was within 20 ft and then shot him. That way is would have still been innocent but without a broken nose and head injuries.

I find it absolutely amazing that so many people think you should suffer a beating and do nothing about it. I also find it amazing how many people are spouting off and know very little about the case let alone tha laws. Oh and according to Travon's girlfriend we can now use the word Nigga and Cracka without offending anyone.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

How do you determine when someone considers an action a threat.

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This is why you have a trial, which is what we have just witnessed. The defense proved that there was more than a boo. There was plenty of physical evidence, witness accounts, and expert opinions corroborating Zimmerman's self-defense account. Everyone was convinced that Zimmerman was being attacked with a life threatening force, the jurors did, and therefore he is justified in using a fire arm in self defense, by the law. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

An armed 27year old following a unarmed kid. He looked suspicious? To Trayvon Martin it was Zimmerman that looked suspicious.

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Zimmerman simply looking suspicious could not justify using a life threatening force by Trayvon Martin. On the other hand, it was demonstrated more than well enough that Trayvon Martin applied potentially a deadly force to Zimmerman. Zimmerman was seriously injured and in fear for his life.

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Tragic and again a miscarriage of justice. This country is going to hell with the manner in which life is treated.

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It's tragic that you refuse to understand that the justice system worked as it was designed, which is by interpreting a set of laws, not your emotions. To convict someone of murder or manslaughter, the prosecution has to prove the guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. The justice system is designed to err on the side of letting a guilty person to go free rather than send an innocent person to jail. This is not to say that the evidence put forward by defense simply cast a doubt on whether Zimmerman was not being attacked, it did more than that. All jurors, as well as most people following the trial closely were convinced that Zimmerman was fighting in self-defense, potentially for his life.

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If Trayvon was a blue eyed blond 17 year old kid Zimmerman would be in prison right now.

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Absolutely not. There are tons of lawyers and prosecutors now saying in the interviews that the state of Florida acted recklessly by charging Zimmerman. Their claim is that Martin and Zimmerman were both of the same race, this case would never reach a trial stage to begin with. The whole trial proceeded simply as a response to the the public outcry and the race-mongering media looking for the next scandal. In other words, there is an argument that the whole trial was politically motivated, contrary to your claim above. Not that I personally support this argument. Under the circumstances (dead body, no direct witnesses), an inquiry in form of a trial could be justified.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Someone posted images of what is deemed the injuries received by Zimmerman as he feared for his life. If his head was being 'pounded' into the

pavement he would have presented with contusions causing a severe (marked quantity of blood) loss of blood due to the lacerations he would

inevitably have had. Was there any subdural hematoma reported? Any concussion?

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One important point, and this is where most legal analysts agree, you have a right not to wait until you're "almost dead" to start defending yourself. Zimmerman had the right to defend himself before his scull was actually cracked. A threat to life and fear for your life is more than enough to justify self defense, including shooting a firearm. Forensic experts confirmed in court that Zimmerman shot Martin as Martin was leaning over Zimmerman, with Zimmerman's upper torso and head being pounded against cement ground. Is that not life threading enough to you?

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

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Zimmerman's voice, meanwhile, comes through on a 911 call he made around that time, telling a dispatcher about "a real suspicious guy."
"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around."
The dispatcher asked Zimmerman, who'd called 911 at least four times previously for other incidents, if he was following the person. He replies, "Yes."
"OK. We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.
But Zimmerman followed him anyway.

Tell me, what is a traybot? A slur on those that grieve the death of a 17 year old. Your juvenile theatrics minimizing a life.

Your contribution is nothing but crass and veiled bigotry along with self serving ideology and plaudits from many on this thread.

You are wrong on every point you posted in response to my answer to someone else. Have you even read anything about the case? By the way, what I posted is an official statement.

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you have distorted the statements: [quote:1rbo5uyl]Zimmerman's voice, meanwhile, comes through on a 911 call he made around that time, telling a dispatcher about "a real suspicious guy."
"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around."
The dispatcher asked Zimmerman, who'd called 911 at least four times previously for other incidents, if he was following the person. He replies, "Yes."
"OK. We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.

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[/quote:1rbo5uyl] -----------------I think you are doing what you accuse others of doing. Then after telling him not to follow TM, later when he says he lost track of him, the dispatcher asks him, where did he go?
The dispatcher never said, do not get out of your car.]
This is no different than what NBC did, example: The dispatcher says what race, Hispanic, black or white?

His response is that he looks black
NBC took the “suspicious” statement and added the statement that he looks black, while cutting out the in between portion of the conversation as well as the question asked, so he appears to be saying, he is acting "real suspicious....he looks black" Now they are facing a lawsuit for slander as they should be. :rolleyes:

In any event, the latest in the circus is certain people are pushing hard to have the justice department file on him for racial profiling and a hate crime....Problem is that earlier the FBI interviewed about 40 witnesses and found no evidence of any racial biases . Problem is that the girl he took to his senior prom was black, the problem is that many people he helped were black. Problem is that he mentored black children. Problem is that he used to play basketball at a local rec center with blacks and other Hispanics. Problem is that he took up for a black man who he thought was being harassed by the local police which lead to some problems for Zimmerman.....

And Zimmerman's worst sin??? He is not a right wing republican!!! Oh no!!! He is a registered democrat!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: And he may have some of the same ancestry as Martin, being Afro-Peruvian :eek: But let not the facts get in the way of a media circus that seems to be intent on stirring up as much non-sense as possible. :rolleyes: I am sure NBC is disappointed that there has not yet been any full scale, out of hand rioting. Get a rope, we need a lynching like the good ole days when the Klan ruled the nights in certain parts of the old South!! opps, what is the difference between those folks and Klan? well the Klan was white...the current righteous and indignant, well, the majority appear to be not........