another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

In which case there are 2 issues at hand. 1, lack of effective mental health treatment. 2. Putting guns in the hands of the mentally ill. Blaming it all on mental health is a convenient side bar to get attention off the fact that people still keep killing people with guns.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Never said that Starter, I said "less".
Law enforcement needs guns, licensed hunter's and target practice practitioners need their legally and responsibly obtained weapons.

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And therein lies the crux of the entire matter. In HK, with a population of well over 13 million in that tiny place, nobody apart from law enforcement officials are permitted to Bear Arms. Not surprisingly, there are no mass murders in Hong Kong. And I would be specious to argue that children are more valued in Hong Kong than the United States of America. Maybe the entire population of The United States of America need an introspective consideration into what lives their people hold sacred, and which lives they can extinguish according to their precious second amendment.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Also he spent hour and hours with violent video games. .

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Oh! Shyte!! :( Just what I dreaded.

If your government wanted to they could wipe you off the face of the planet in seconds whether you have a ton of handguns and rifles or not. You have the one of if not the biggest armies in the world, armed police etc. They would likely do the bidding of their employers. A few gun toting citizens who think they are a militia keeping the evil government at bay are simply paranoid delusionals. I've lived all across the UK, in Sweden, and now Australia, I've never even seen a gun in public except a couple of police in london and at airports. Never seen a knife pulled on anyone, never felt that I was in danger of Islamic extremists blowing me up. Sure there are a bunch of wackos out there who would hurt people, but the paranoia is simply a product of instant worldwide news coverage, not actual risk of crime. I do believe the hell hole New York, haven of violent crime, actually recorded 24 hrs of zero violent crime a couple of weeks ago, for the 1st time in living memory. You guys absolutely do not need guns. You have precisely zero more freedom than most of the rest of the developed world, just a perceived freedom based on some outdated text with no practical application in the modern world.

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Its good to see the guns don't kill people, people kill people line again..

Such a tragedy, condolences to all involved.

The Americans in the argument on this forum have the outlook of putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff to try and save the man who fell. The rest of the world in this argument in this forum have the view of putting a fence up at the top of the cliff to stop the man from falling. If that makes sense to you people. I Wonder what decision has the best outcome.. Hmm

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Consider this. Why on earth should such draconian steps ever be necessary? The notion of such security being required at European schools is laughable. Why? Because, despite isolated (far more so than in the US) tragic incidents, it is not called for. If it is in the US, you have a different problem than just school security, surely?

Your response is rather like suggesting that women should wear suits of armour to prevent rape.

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You'd be quite surprised at the security measures put in place at my kids school. Not to keep the kids in, but to keep those that want to do 'things' to kids out. CCTV, maglocks on doors, high fencing, door entry systems etc.

This is not a unique or a pie in the sky idea.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, but you can't outlaw stupidity.

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No - and some are genuinely just thick. But a lot of it is a lack of education.

Dare I say that some of this is a parenting issue, some is a funding/access to education issue.

Surely then, a level of checks for suitability for gun ownership, should be the family as a whole, including education, intelligence etc???

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Originally Posted by Roamy

children start very violent games at such a young age.

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Irresponsibly brought up children maybe. Trouble is, any twit can get knocked up and start a family. I am not saying this should be stopped because you cannot dictate on freedom.

But how do you ensure a basic common sense level of parenting and education.

I don't know that that would be possible unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Do you buy life insurance, fire insurance or auto insurance? Your chances of needing either are small (else the insurance companies would go out of business). Does that mean you are frightened?

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Most of these insurance you refer to, are legally required in order to;

Own a car,
Obtain a mortgage,
Continue to have a mortgage on a house.