Same Sex Marriage

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Originally Posted by schmenke

The point I was trying to make is that the debate of same-sex marriage is a straightforward as it involves only the couple. The debate is expanded when adoption is introduced because the wellbeing of the child needs to be considered.

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Of course, but this applies equally to all adoption cases, no matter what the gender of the parents might be.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

I’m sure that a same-sex couple is more than capable of nurturing a child but I can only assume that there are potential psychological issues to be considered for a child raised by parents of the same sex in a world where the majority is the opposite.

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Only so long as societal norms are viewed in too narrow a fashion. What I object to is the notion that a problem would automatically ensue.

I should add that I have no desire either to get married or adopt kids. My argument is with the viewpoint that I should be automatically forbidden from doing either should I so desire, and on such spurious grounds.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I do see this as very old-fashioned, yes, and also unduly restrictive. What's so bad about giving everyone a free choice within the law?

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I happen to think if we were all a little more restrictive in respect of marriage, there would be a lot less unhappy kids left from single parents thinking it's ok to sleep here there and with everyone.

Not a lot of accountability.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You still think I think you are inferior and that I am a bigot? That my kids are unfortunate because of my opinions?

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In a word, yes. Though I don't think 'inferior' is quite the right term.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I happen to think if we were all a little more restrictive in respect of marriage, there would be a lot less unhappy kids left from single parents thinking it's ok to sleep here there and with everyone.

Not a lot of accountability.

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Those are no grounds to seek to restrict marriage to mixed-sex couples.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Though I don't think 'inferior' is quite the right term.

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I was using your terminology from an earlier post.

Presumably then, you think that, at night, before giving them a kiss goodnight, I tell them to stay away from those nasty gay people?

And that ensuring they have a safe and loving environment is outdated?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I was using your terminology from an earlier post.

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In which case, my term wasn't quite right.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Presumably then, you think that, at night, before giving them a kiss goodnight, I tell them to stay away from those nasty gay people?

And that ensuring they have a safe and loving environment is outdated?

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Not at all. I make that observation based on how I think you come across — which is, amongst other things, as somewhat bigoted. And I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that you, and people with your views, don't have a monopoly on offering your children a safe and loving environment. Don't try and equate the two things.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Those are no grounds to seek to restrict marriage to mixed-sex couples.

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Again, for me, marriage is the first step toward a man and a woman preparing to have a family.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Again, for me, marriage is the first step toward a man and a woman preparing to have a family.

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Why be so intolerant of any diversion from this? To some degree, this is why I brought your children into the discussion. I believe fundamentally that children need to be taught that there are ways of doing things other than one very restrictive, very prescriptive norm. Indeed, the word 'normal' I find, in some ways, quite problematic.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Why be so intolerant of any diversion from this? To some degree, this is why I brought your children into the discussion. I believe fundamentally that children need to be taught that there are ways of doing things other than one very restrictive, very prescriptive norm. Indeed, the word 'normal' I find, in some ways, quite problematic.

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Because, my parents, both their parents, all the way back to great great great grampy wilko with the gammy leg, that is what was passed down as normal.

Worked for us.

Again, I won't stop you or the next bloke from having a civil ceremony - do what you like. I, however, do not agree with it.

To me, learning from my folks, has taught me what I know.

That is why I have reservations with same sex adoption - not because I think they are bad people, but because of my upbringing. Also, having been bullied, I know that other kids - wether they understand what and why they are doing - can be down right evil.

And no, it would not be your fault, but I suspect you would feel bad if you found yourself in that position.

Seriously - I'm not having a pop. I don't think I'm better than you. I just see things differently and, perhaps, struggle to convey my opinions well on screen.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Same-sex couples stop being discriminated against. Quite a big thing.

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I’m not sure if discrimination is the correct term here.

A church is an organization with voluntary membership by those who subscribe to its faith, customs and beliefs. People who disagree with those would not subscribe to the church, as it would contradict their personal beliefs. This is not discrimination.