BBC vs Sky - The Story so Far

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10th January 2013, 00:54
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by wedge

Country specific, case by case basis?

This would certainly be interesting.

In Germany, I'm pretty certain that it remains on RTL, free-to-air, for all races.
10th January 2013, 09:43
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

I am aware it was the BBC who forced the deal and therefore are guilty of screwing the fans over. I don't have much respect for them as an organisation and I think most people given the choice would scrap the TV license as the quality of programming is appalling of late. I probably wouldn't be so vocal about that if they at least had the F1 coverage. I also hit out at Sky because they charge silly amounts of money for subscriptions and I don't think they have done anything to accommodate fans who wanted to receive the F1 channel. Its not worth 30 odd quid a month that's for sure and even less so when they are really only delivering 10 more live races than the BBC. £400 a year for 10 races just seems like a huge rip off and again I think Sky should have offered the channel on its own so more fans could receive it. They are not getting the subscriptions they want so why not do something for us? I don't have anything against Sky as a company apart from them ripping people off. My father has just cancelled his Sky subscription after his bill once again got put up without informing him. Obviously they are always very sorry on the phone but when your bill goes from £50 p/m to nearly £90 for the second time in 6 months, its clear they are not a company who make their money honestly. This also means I no longer have the option to view Sky Go should I find the need or be in when a race is on.

I wish I had your attitude where I could just drop my interest, but F1 is the only motorsport I have followed properly in my life. I don't live close to a race track any more and can't satisfy my need by reading a few articles and thinking 'wow that sounded like an awesome race!!'. I want to see the bloody race and watch the action for myself. I also can't think of another form of motorsport at the same level as F1 that is covered on FTA tv?

Well, I agree on the mostpart on your sentiments towards the Beeb - but you acannot fault them for what they did. Just because they are being forced to cut costs why should they ditch F1 if a deal can be done. It is, as always, the head folk that cream all the money off - look at the Entwhistle payoff as an example.

Whilst I watch very little of the myriad channels on my Sky HD subscription, I do get to watch all the mainstream stuff in HD, and this does make quite a difference. The sound is much crisper too.

I've generally been dissapointed with the F1 coverage, but that is a moot point, as I can see all the FP's and the qually and race in full and HD. I will no doubt ring up to cancel my subscription in March, with a view to getting a discount - as my ADSL is up for renewal in September, and I am at my wits end with TalkTalk, so will probably go with Sky and get a better allround package and the value that may well give.
10th January 2013, 10:48
Wasted Talent

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Originally Posted by Natalie.S

BBC losing Monaco is a bad thing and so is them possibly only having 9 races live this year as the Tba race doesn't materialize.

Yes, I wonder if that bit will be re-negotiated to allow BBC 10 live races?

WT
10th January 2013, 11:39
AndyL

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There would certainly be cuts, you could be sure of that. How much, I wonder, could be saved by cutting all the red-button stuff, all the analysis, the presenter, and just showing a live race with two commentators and a pit lane reporter?

Personally I'd be quite happy if they did that. I generally don't watch the pre-race stuff anyway (and what I have seen has been pretty valueless, whether it was on ITV, BBC or Sky). While I liked the BBC post-race forum, I'd rather have live race coverage and no post-race than highlights with extensive post-race analysis.

That commentators-only style of coverage works well for Eurosport with MotoGP (and they don't even have a pit lane reporter any more).

My all-time favourite BTCC coverage was when Motors TV used to do the whole meeting live, with no studio or presenters, just the commentators and the circuit cameras. You could watch all the support races, and you even got to see the marshals sweeping and the recovery truck collecting the crashed cars between races! It was like actually being there, except you could see all the way round the circuit and the refreshments were cheaper.

The trouble with that kind of coverage is that while it appeals to the dedicated motorsport fan, you probably can't get away with it on a mainstream channel like BBC1 where you need to attract a mass audience.
10th January 2013, 13:42
Dave B

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Originally Posted by wedge

There's an FTA clause for 'key markets' in the Concorde Agreement.

There's currently no ratified Concorde Agreement - that's the scary thing. All the teams have agreed to it "in principal", but the old one expired on 31 December 2012 and the new one hasn't been signed yet.
10th January 2013, 13:45
Dave B

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well I'm lost then, and I'm gutted about that.

I can't compete with you guys who can afford to pay for it and I'm rather bitter about that.

Shouldn't have piddled all that money away on a phone then :p ;)
10th January 2013, 13:49
Dave B

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And the end result of all of this is, surely, a massive decline in the popularity of the sport in the UK. I can see the same happening to snooker when, as is surely (and very sadly) inevitable, the World Championship moves to China and thus is only shown, probably on a pay channel, at an inhospitable time of day.

That's entirely possible. The billion dollar question is: do the promoters care? If it were your business, would you sacrifice the (big) UK market for the (potentially massive) Eastern one, even if it meant alienating your most loyal customers? Sadly I suspect the answer is yes - in both cases. To them, it's all about the bottom line, and understandably so I guess.
10th January 2013, 14:04
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

I didn't.
I won't use the response I would like to use as this is a family forum. Yeah nice one Dave.

Harry Hill needed to sort this one out please.....!! ;) :laugh:
10th January 2013, 14:24
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Dave B

That's entirely possible. The billion dollar question is: do the promoters care? If it were your business, would you sacrifice the (big) UK market for the (potentially massive) Eastern one, even if it meant alienating your most loyal customers? Sadly I suspect the answer is yes - in both cases. To them, it's all about the bottom line, and understandably so I guess.

In which case, the best option is to find a solution which suits both, which I'm sure can be done. To do otherwise strikes me as utterly counter-intuitive.
10th January 2013, 18:46
Dave B

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Originally Posted by henners88

I didn't.
I won't use the response I would like to use as this is a family forum. Yeah nice one Dave.

Sorry, did the :p and the ;) not show up on my post? Lighten up! :)

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