Pirelli defend tyres after Schumacher blast

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Originally Posted by wedge

Tell that to Kimi who was holding up a train of cars, tell that to McLaren who instructed to their drivers - on different strategies - to conserve their tyres.

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Surely you can expect difficulties on one stop trilogy? And BTW wedge, I don't know why you think that only touring cars should be exciting...

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Originally Posted by wedge

2002 - as I said earlier, arguably F1's lowest ebb in recent history.

2004 - yes Ferrari dominated but the battle for best of the rest was immensely enjoyable and the year Bunsen came to the fore.

2010 - good races and bad races, much like any other season. Final showdown was an anti-climax.

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I enjoy every season.

I do think 2002 gets a bad press. Yes Ferrari were dominant, but there were a few decent races that season and alot of action behind the Ferrari's

Australian GP was fun after the first corner smash, the Webber Minardi points was great.

Malaysia GP - I remember the Williams dominated and gave us hope of a close season, and Schumi came from the back to 3rd. Also Bernoldi in Arrows passing Schumi.

Spain.- I remember some good midfield action later in this race, and Frentzen getting a point for Arrows.

Austria - I obviously had the drama of the Barrichello/Schumi switch. And the worring Heidfeld/Sato crash, but Villeneuve was rampant in that race and as always in Austria the midfield action was close.

British GP - Had rain and some great earlier battles and Barrichello from last to 2nd. More great midfield action.

French GP - Raikkonen drove brilliantly for what should have been his first win, but for a late spin on oil.

Italian GP - Irvine in the Jag getting a podium, and Trulli coming from last to 4th.

Japanese GP- Sato getting that 5th place for Jordan.


Just to point out a few of my highlights from 2002.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Button - "a little bit worried":

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So he should be after his last few races. The rest of the winners appear to be doing fine ! ;) :p

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Originally Posted by F1boat

If purity is dull, screw purity :D Although the best are still leading and one of them will win in the end. It will just be a little harder this time.

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agreed- have been watching motor sport for 30 plus years I watch alot of motor racing because I like it- but I want it to be entertaining as well. the top drivers in the championship are what I would call the best drivers in F1 in the strongest teams- we just don't know who will win it- that's a great news story as far as I'm concerned. Pirelli were asked by the F1 teams and the series to come up with tyres that make them work harder- they have done precisely that. I reckon Alonso will be champion this year- that's right and proper since he is the best driver out there

if you want to see what rock hard tyres and pesky aero does for the racing - just watch the dvd's from 2002-2008. or this years yawnfest that is NASCAR in 2012- when F1 has more overtaking than an oval series it's doing something right

NASCAR and Indy Car are getting very dull in recent years and I stopped watching them. Nothing, however, comes close to the DTM - great looking cars and no action at all. Formula One today is however very entertaining, even more than some touring car series...

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Originally Posted by aki13

I enjoy every season.

I do think 2002 gets a bad press. Yes Ferrari were dominant, but there were a few decent races that season and alot of action behind the Ferrari's

Australian GP was fun after the first corner smash, the Webber Minardi points was great.

Malaysia GP - I remember the Williams dominated and gave us hope of a close season, and Schumi came from the back to 3rd. Also Bernoldi in Arrows passing Schumi.

Spain.- I remember some good midfield action later in this race, and Frentzen getting a point for Arrows.

Austria - I obviously had the drama of the Barrichello/Schumi switch. And the worring Heidfeld/Sato crash, but Villeneuve was rampant in that race and as always in Austria the midfield action was close.

British GP - Had rain and some great earlier battles and Barrichello from last to 2nd. More great midfield action.

French GP - Raikkonen drove brilliantly for what should have been his first win, but for a late spin on oil.

Italian GP - Irvine in the Jag getting a podium, and Trulli coming from last to 4th.

Japanese GP- Sato getting that 5th place for Jordan.


Just to point out a few of my highlights from 2002.

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A persuasive argument. Austria obviously the lowest point but I was more concerned about the direction of the sport and the technical sophistication was far too OTT.

Niki Lauda test drove a Jaguar and said it was so easy that his grandmother/monkey could drive it! The era had TC, auto upshifts with manual override for downshifts, pit to car telemetry whereby car adjustments could be made from the pits; respect for driver skill was being lost.

Ferrari/Schumi domination didn't help nor a faltering economy which seemingly affected a non-sell out '02 Italian GP.

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Originally Posted by djparky

if you want to see what rock hard tyres and pesky aero does for the racing - just watch the dvd's from 2002-2008.

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I have 2003-08 and thoroughly enjoyed them.

2009-10 had rock hard Bridgestone tyres. What gives?

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Surely you can expect difficulties on one stop trilogy?

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Safety car helped with managing the super soft on the first stint, like SC helped Seb last year.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

And BTW wedge, I don't know why you think that only touring cars should be exciting...

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As I said earlier purity of F1 and pretty much sport itself.

Touring Cars is more about creating close competition by equalizing the dynamics of the cars and drivers with things like ballast, reverse grids and spec formulas and therefore more of a show.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Niki Lauda test drove a Jaguar and said it was so easy that his grandmother/monkey could drive it! The era had TC, auto upshifts with manual override for downshifts, pit to car telemetry whereby car adjustments could be made from the pits; respect for driver skill was being lost.




As I said earlier purity of F1 and pretty much sport itself.

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IIRC Lauda said that before test driving a car, before spinning several times in a couple of laps and making himself look pretty stupid

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Originally Posted by Dave B

For the best part of 10 years I've been reading threads on here about how dull the sport is/was when Schumacher or Vettel dominated, and now finally there's a genuine chance for midfield teams to do well and people are complaining.

Tyre management is difficult. Here's the dirty secret: F1 is meant to be difficult. Those who get it right reap the rewards. It's not a lottery, it's hard work, talented designers and skilful driving.

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F1 is not endurance racing, it should not be about driving 2 seconds below the limit to save tyres.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I hope that you are happy now - hard tyres, no lead changes, "pure" racing.

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Yeah, watching guys drive to delta time is so much more interesting than seeing the best drivers in the best cars in the world pushing to the absolute limit of their skills and equipment. So interesting.
The other thing that is really interesting is the best drivers in the world having to pit after 8 laps because their tyres are dead eventhough they haven't even pushed to the limit.

Garry Walker, I guess you enjoy the DTM series? It is completely pure and completely dull. I don't want to see F1 like this and if the price is to compromise purity, so be it (in my opinion). Again, I can't understand why only touring cars (and the BTCC in particular) should be exciting. Also, wedge, surely you can understand that F1 is business and at least partly show...

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Yeah, watching guys drive to delta time is so much more interesting than seeing the best drivers in the best cars in the world pushing to the absolute limit of their skills and equipment.

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The tyres are one part of that equipment. If you push to the limit there is always a danger of going over the limit. The skillset of a driver includes the ability to judge & manage the equipment at their disposal whatever the era.

I don't recall there being such vorciferous criticism of the sport thirty years ago when we saw six different winners in the first eight races of 1982, and seven different winners in the first eight races of 1983. The view then was that it was exciting to see the best drivers in the best cars in the world pushing to the absolute limit of their skills and equipment.