4 degrees of camber

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Originally Posted by henners88

Possibly one of the best responses I've ever seen here. :laugh: :up:

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I concur :D

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ferrari were running closer to 3 degrees of camber and were still getting blistering.

Obviously Newey wasn't happy, that much is plain to see, but do you honestly think with the lead that they've got, that he wouldn't have just started them both from the pitlane with a fresh set of tyres and reduced camber if he had real concerns?

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Well, that's not really up to Newey, is it? That decision is down to Christian Horner. As mentioned already, I have huge admiration for Adrian and if given the choice I believe he would have started the cars from the pitlane. Again, this is just my opinion. Horner, being team principal, has more to lose by doing that. It reflects particularly bad upon him if his team stretches the limits of performance and have to start at the back of the grid because of it. It also reflects bad upon him if the tyres blow out because of the teams own error caused by a conscious decision they made. They took the risk and it paid off. Either way, they made a silly mistake and brought the whole situation upon themselves.

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Originally Posted by henners88

The teams have been issued a recommended camber limit of 3.75 degree's for Monza by Pirelli its been announced on Autosport.

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That's what Hembery said they would do . Drop the recommended maximum angle .

Anyone betting against the Bulls breaching the max again , now that the max is minimized ?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

It is you that has lost the plot. I'm quite aware of what I posted, and very aware that it's not your place to decide what I can post. RBR ran the tires beyond the Pirelli spec. I did not imply or state this created a rules violation, simply that RBR put themselves in the situation of having tire problems.

RBR then requested an allowance for new tires without starting from the pit lane, thus requested to circumvent the regulations regarding parc ferme.

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That is not true, they didn't ask to change the tires, Pirelli told them to change the camber angle but they were not allowed to do it without starting from the pitlane.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I'd have someone retrieve the dictionary for you, but it's apparent that due to cranial rectumitis your head is in the way. :)

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I guess some can insult other forum members around here while considering themselves smart in doing so! LOL

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

That's what Hembery said they would do . Drop the recommended maximum angle .

Anyone betting against the Bulls breaching the max again , now that the max is minimized?

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Most probably that is the idea behind the move.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Pirelli's motivations for recommending 4 degrees camber is subject to scrutiny of course. However, as far as we know, no other team went beyond their recommendations. RBR were clearly concerned for their drivers. This would draw me to conclude that Pirelli's recommendation was suggested, at least partially, on safety grounds and when this is forms part of a recommendation it should NEVER be ignored.

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With that attitude no team would ever hire you.

Racing is about pushing the limits.

Many, many teams across motorsport are willing to take advice with some degree of salt.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well you attempt to put people down in most of your posts and airshifters line was much better and intelligent sounding than anything you've ever come up with.. :p ;)

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You're way of judging intelligence recommends you for a footy commentator position, or alternatively you could take Eddie Jordan's place in the BBC team! :rotflmao:
You asked for it, so don't come crying. :p

I think this is as close to a definitive narrative of the whole sorry mess. Looks like RBR are getting peoples backs up.

The Red Bull Pirelli saga: What really happened (2

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Originally Posted by ioan

That is not true, they didn't ask to change the tires, Pirelli told them to change the camber angle but they were not allowed to do it without starting from the pitlane.

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"Discussions between the teams, the FIA and Pirelli took place on the morning of the race with one option being replacement front tyres for the top ten, who had to start the race on the tyres they qualified on. However, several other teams believed that that would be unfair and vetoed the measure. As a result the likes of Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari were faced with the dilemma of whether to allow their cars to start with their existing set-ups or change them and start from the pit lane. "

Red Bull nearly started Belgian Grand Prix from the pit lane | Belgian Grand Prix | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1

Quotes are a wonderful thing. Surely you can provide a link showing where Pirelli, without being approached, told RB to change the camber angle? The change was suggested only after RB went crying and wanting fresh tires for the race start... without the penalty of changing tires.

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Originally Posted by wedge

With that attitude no team would ever hire you.

Racing is about pushing the limits.

Many, many teams across motorsport are willing to take advice with some degree of salt.

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And what would you know about what a team would and wouldn't hire?

There is no problem in pushing the limits reliability wise... not when it comes to safety. If RBR had reason to doubt Pirelli's camber angle suggestion then fair enough. Clearly they were wrong if they did. One should never put your drivers lives at unnecessary risk. Maybe that's why RBR are in the lead of the championship though. They have taken more risks than anyone else and it has paid off, except this time they pushed it to the point of where they had reason to believe they may have pushed it too far.