Texas poised to become 2nd state allowing concealed handguns on university campuses

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Originally Posted by Rollo

May I remind you of the wording of the law?

That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;
- Bill of Rights Act 1689.

The right exists but there are qualifiers on that right. Specifically to do with the operation of the law, and since both English Statue and Common Law has evolved, then the rule of law also changes to evolve with society.
There have of course been several changes in law following the Bill of Rights 1689, including "night poaching" acts as well as the Pistols Act 1903 and four subsequent Firearms Acts. All of which define what is "suitable to conditions" and "allowed by law".

What this actually says is that British Law has tried to keep up to date with society, whereas American law has not. Consequently the UK has homocide rates by firearms of 4% that of the United States. If anything, all you've successfully proven is the failure of American law to "insure domestic Tranquility" and "promote the general Welfare".

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No, it means your average (insert whatever englander) has no meaningful right whatsoever, because its government does not trust its citizens and knows what is best for them.
If you are happy, then so be it. Persoanlly I could care less, as long as no one in my family gets their butt shot off trying to protect you guys on some future date.

and I have thoroughly gone through what a meaningless mess your stats are and how they are so meaningless in the other closed thread.

it still amazes me the overly wrought paranoia, fear and insecuirty that is expressed here over americans owning guns by others who have them outlawed in their country, who still have crime issues, and live thousands of miles away, and who are naive enough to think that just cause you have had no such threats in the last few years (again thanks to the USA playing world cop) that it will continue to be such for some infinite future time.

bottom line, you englanders keep doing the bowing and scraping to the royals "with the reverent genuflection afforded to them even now in some quarters."

And I will do the same with the founding fathers and their principles.

meanwhile, try to relax from the overly wrought paranoia, fear and insecuirty that is expressed here over americans owning guns by you guys who have them outlawed in their country, who still have crime issues, and live thousands of miles away, and who are naive enough to think that just cause you have had no such threats in the last few years (again thanks to the USA playing world cop) that it will continue to be such for some infinite future time.

I would say "pray" but some of you being atheists, well just keep hoping it will remain that away and that many years from now, you will die an old man, sleeping your beds, without some harness strapped to your back and such

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Originally Posted by markabilly

it still amazes me the overly wrought paranoia, fear and insecuirty that is expressed here over americans owning guns by others who have them outlawed in their country, who still have crime issues, and live thousands of miles away, and who are naive enough to think that just cause you have had no such threats in the last few years (again thanks to the USA playing world cop) that it will continue to be such for some infinite future time.

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Never heard of successive US governments funding the IRA, the organisation responsible for the greatest numbers of deaths on UK soil since World War Two, have you?

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Originally Posted by markabilly

bottom line, you englanders keep doing the bowing and scraping to the royals "with the reverent genuflection afforded to them even now in some quarters."

And I will do the same with the founding fathers and their principles.

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What on earth do you mean by 'you Englanders'? This, beyond all doubt, proves your level of knowledge of countries other than your own. Some people do, you're quite right. Many, including myself, are supremely indifferent to the whole thing and would not mourn were they to suddenly cease to exist. You, though, seem to have taken fully on board the notion — shared by many of your countrymen — that we all adore the Royals and are obsessed with their every move. Like a fair few Americans, in fact, if you haven't noticed.

Like I said, just try to breathe and relax from the overly wrought paranoia, fear and insecuirty that is expressed here over americans owning guns by you guys who have them outlawed in their country, who still have crime issues, and live thousands of miles away, and who are naive enough to think that just cause you have had no such threats in the last few years (again thanks to the USA playing world cop) that it will continue to be such for some infinite future time.

I would say "pray" but i recall you being an atheist, well just keep hoping it will remain that away and that many years from now, you will die an old man, sleeping your beds, without some harness strapped to your back and such other places

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Like I said, just try to breathe and relax from the overly wrought paranoia, fear and insecuirty that is expressed here over americans owning guns by you guys who have them outlawed in their country, who still have crime issues, and live thousands of miles away, and who are naive enough to think that just cause you have had no such threats in the last few years (again thanks to the USA playing world cop) that it will continue to be such for some infinite future time.

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Yes, 'like you said' indeed. Did you even deign to read what I wrote before about the USA's role in propping up IRA violence for many years, or did this mysteriously pass you by because it doesn't fit with your pre-conceived notions? In this instance, your nation was far from 'playing world cop'. It was supporting a terrorist organisation which was responsible for far more loss of life on British shores than any current threat has yet achieved. For many, the fear of IRA violence was genuine — far more so than is the fear of gun crime you seem desperate for us Brits to have instilled in us to the point where we all need to go around armed.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I would say "pray" but i recall you being an atheist, well just keep hoping it will remain that away and that many years from now, you will die an old man, sleeping your beds, without some harness strapped to your back and such other places

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Yes, being a rational person rather than one who believes in what are in effect myths and legends, I am indeed an atheist.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Did you sit through the psychological testing in Spain to get your FAC? I take it that you also had a European Firearms Pass (which you always carried) and had the weapon proofmarked.

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The fact of us having received no answers to our questions on this matter suggests, as I thought might be the case, that anthonyvop's possession of a firearm on his travels 'throughout Europe' is an invention for his rhetorical purposes. If he didn't do as you say, surely an offence was committed?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

The fact of us having received no answers to our questions on this matter suggests, as I thought might be the case, that anthonyvop's possession of a firearm on his travels 'throughout Europe' is an invention for his rhetorical purposes. If he didn't do as you say, surely an offence was committed?

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no like me, he probably got bored and went to sleep

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Never heard of successive US governments funding the IRA, the organisation responsible for the greatest numbers of deaths on UK soil since World War Two, have you?

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no, amazing. i had no idea that "succesive us government (were) funding the IRA". Me, I fund my IRA every year, as much as those IRS folks will let me.

You got some valid link to these actions of the USA government funding all these revolutionaries who might be attacking and killing?? or is this some paranoia........ :confused:


Besides I thought you were saying you all are so asleep and safe over there, and had no worries like I , old paranoid, was mentioning....... :rolleyes:

But I had forgot about your friends who had greatly discriminated against the catholics in Northern Ireland, oppressing them and turning them into second class citizens for hundreds of years.....who once again, to protect themselves from oppresion after the 1968 failure of your government to treat them on an equal basis and negiotate fairly.....took arms to protect themselves with a result of one big bloody mess, but in the absence of those actions, would still be living with their noses to the ground

well, you don't need a weatherman,
to tell you which way the wind blows,
esp when you been seeding the whirlwind....

but like i said,

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Like I said, just try to breathe and relax from the overly wrought paranoia, fear and insecuirty that is expressed here over americans owning guns by you guys who have them outlawed in their country, who still have crime issues, and live thousands of miles away, and who are naive enough to think that just cause you have had no such threats in the last few years (again thanks to the USA playing world cop) that it will continue to be such for some infinite future time.

I would say "pray" but i recall you being an atheist, well just keep hoping it will remain that away and that many years from now, you will die an old man, sleeping your beds, without some harness strapped to your back and such other places

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i could care less, if you prepare yourself for harsh winters that may be a coming to visit you as long as I don't have to see my breathen dying for it.....and at my age, I doubt that I will live long enough to see such. But you might
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Just don't want you imposing your views here n this country, not one bit of them

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Did you sit through the psychological testing in Spain to get your FAC? I take it that you also had a European Firearms Pass (which you always carried) and had the weapon proofmarked.

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Nope....My rights supersede anything that some silly European politicians can come up with.