Luca Badoer Finally Gets Ferrari Drive

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Originally Posted by truefan72

...and the money they paid kimi was well rewarded with an F1 championship right?

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Not exactly enough.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

You know that money does not produce drivers - in fact with Hamilton being the exception it has been the smaller less well-funded teams that have made the selections.

Alonso had Minardi, Raikonnen had Sauber, Schumacher had Jordan and Senna had Toleman - with Bernie hot in their heels to try and sign him for Brabham much to Piquet's alarm so he managed to put a stop to that.

The best driver finding scheme remains the Elf-Winfield scholarship which produced EIGHT drivers all on the grid at the same time. Alain Prost was the result of the Elf scheme.

If the money required today was neccessary then, and there was no Elf-Winfield program Prost himself said that he could never have moved beyond his karting.

I am happy for Badoer because it always makes me happy when I see people achieve dreams - and being a Ferrari driver in a grand prix regardless of what happens or if he will be driving at Spa, will have made everything worth it for Luca Badoer. Well done :-]

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There is a lot of expectation coming from Ferrari's side with regards to the lack of a proper development scheme that is well funded etc.

That is that Ferrari expects themselves to be the dream job for an F1 driver. They will always believe (and probably rightly so) that they can go and sign any driver they want.

It just comes from being as successful as they have been.

I'll use football as an example. Teams like Chelsea and Liverpool have been accused of neglecting their reserves and their development, but when you can go and buy whoever you want to a certain degree, then developing one or two good players every couple of years is fine for them.

However, if you look at teams like Everton, Middlesbrough, West Ham, Leeds and Crewe, most of the time they bring their youngsters through, and I'd say half of them contribute to their teams for most of their careers, and the other half are sold for decent money.

It's a good business model whether the fans like it or not.

Red Bull especially have put a lot of effort into their scheme over the years, just look at the drivers they have brought through:

Vettel, Speed, Alguersuari, Liuzzi, Klien, Hartley, and a couple of others. Here are 6 drivers who probably wouldn't be in F1 as quickly as they were without RBR, and STR to be fair as well.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

...and the money they paid kimi was well rewarded with an F1 championship right?

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True. There's no right or wrong way. The likes of Ferrari can pay established stars, and do not need to develop their own talent. It's just I think they may benefit from doing so.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

You know that money does not produce drivers - in fact with Hamilton being the exception it has been the smaller less well-funded teams that have made the selections.

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No. Of course money does not produce talent, but it does help it to flourish. Hamilton may be an exception but McLaren made a committment to him many years ago and are seeing the benefits of that, and will probably do so for many years to come.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The best driver finding scheme remains the Elf-Winfield scholarship which produced EIGHT drivers all on the grid at the same time. Alain Prost was the result of the Elf scheme.

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That was quite a time for French drivers. The likes of Jabouille, Arnoux, Prost, Jarier, Pironi, Laffite, and Tambay were all on the grid in the late 70's.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i'm glad you posted this little snippet again, and whilst i didn't have any reason to question it before, i thought it was a little odd that Badoer had never ever even sat in the car before, but from http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46612 (and a similar report on Autosport



which seems to indidcate the contrary to your belief that he's bever driven the car previously.

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As this goes against a few members that are self professed Ferrari experts and "in the know", we can only assume Luca is lying ;)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

As this goes against a few members that are self professed Ferrari experts and "in the know", we can only assume Luca is lying ;)

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http://www.forumula1.net/2008/f1/f1-...i-in-portimao/

That was Badoers last test for Ferrari, in an F2008 muletta to 2009 regulations.

So perhaps you don't look so smart now, cock?

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Originally Posted by tamburello

http://www.forumula1.net/2008/f1/f1-...i-in-portimao/

That was Badoers last test for Ferrari, in an F2008 muletta to 2009 regulations.

So perhaps you don't look so smart now, cock?

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That's "cock" as in -

2. A term of address, usually affectionate. E.g."Right cock, that'll be 46 pence please. Would you like it in a bag?"

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/c.htm

Not as in the 1st definition!

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Originally Posted by tamburello

That's "cock" as in -

2. A term of address, usually affectionate. E.g."Right cock, that'll be 46 pence please. Would you like it in a bag?"

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/c.htm

Not as in the 1st definition!

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Not all of us here are native speakers so I'm sure some of us know only the 1st definition :)

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Not all of us here are native speakers so I'm sure some of us know only the 1st definition :)

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:D

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well as you can see he first sat in the car this week on Monday and Tuesday.
I fail to see how I was wrong when I said previously that he never drove the car. :confused:

Also you are a bit late.
Posted almost 3 days ago by myself:

It's on the previous page of this very thread! :D
:wave:

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yet you managed to completley ignore my post, or apparently read it at all, glossing over the part where Luca Badoer (you've heard of him right?) says “With testing being so restricted this year,” he explained, “it’s very difficult to step up to the race seat. I drove the F60 at Fiorano just for two filming days, on Monday and Tuesday, but it was good to get into a car that I haven’t driven for several months.”

"GOOD TO GET INTO A CAR I HAVEN'T DRIVEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS"

that, to me, reads that he has driven the car before this weeks test, which i did read about and understand.

that is where i am saying you are wrong.

now Tamberello has kindly posted some evidence (which you couldn't be bothered to when i asked a previous time, whilst telling everyone else they were wrong :rolleyes: ) which seems to indicate the last test Badoer had was in a Hybrid (2008 can in 2009 trim/spec) so its possible that Luca is a bit mixed up, but his statement (the guy who drives for Ferrari, yeah) said otherwise, which was the only evidence i had seen. all in all it makes little difference, as i agree that he has next to no time in a car of the current spec and rules, but my reposnse was purely to your posturing over everyone who has the temerity to question your authority on matters F1 or Ferrari.

but thanks for pointing out i'm wrong again without bothering to read my posts, i'ts a pity you can't take as much time to consider others opinions as you do proclaiming yours

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Originally Posted by tamburello

http://www.forumula1.net/2008/f1/f1-...i-in-portimao/

That was Badoers last test for Ferrari, in an F2008 muletta to 2009 regulations.

So perhaps you don't look so smart now, cock?

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Let them be Tam, there's no need to bother.

After I said that Badoer never drove the F60, I posted this week the link to the story about him driving it for the first time this week for a commercial and than these 'heroes' come and say that I was wrong.

If they are happy with their logic than I couldn't care less.