Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by ioan

Why should the penalty be increased? The penalty for this infringement is a drive through or a 25 seconds time penalty if it's too late or a drive through.

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The FIA have a funny way of taking exception to having their decisions questioned, and ussually add to penalties after a failed appeal...

all in all its a shame that ferrari had to complain when the recipient of the alleged unfair treatment couldn't hack the pressure, ran wide and stacked his car into the fence!

There is only 1 loser in this crappy affair, and thats the F1 fans who paid shed loads of money to watch the "race" and the millions who wasted their time watching the TV.

Off to wop land next week. Another Ferrari fixed win must be on the cards.

F1 is now officially a joke.

imo, stewards are wrong with Lewis penalty, he let Kimi pass before the finishing line, overtake before la sources, even Charley Whiting even said it was ok. IF the FIA doesn't overrule the penalty, with ferrari/massa pit lane cock up in Valencia, We think should call Formula 1 new name: Ferrari 1.

So where is the fine/penalty for the Williams that was slow on the racing line & nearly took out both leaders?

Everytime you think this sport has reached a new low it gets lower.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

I've just rewatched the replay on ITV's website and I was wrong, they didnt touch in the chicane, Hamilton just dodged going over what were foot high concrete kerbing, just behind the red and white kerbing, that would have undoubtedly launched his car into Kimi's.

However, at no point down the straight into La Source was Hamilton in Kimi's slipstream, they were close to being side-by-side with Kimi definitely ahead and pulling away because Lewis had to back off to let him past. Hamilton got him under braking fair and square because Kimi was braking so much earlier in the slick conditions. As I said earlier, the only advantage Hamilton had was that he is much better on the brakes at overtacking than most in the field.

Besides I recall seing this kind of thing before, possibly with Schumacher, were a car would cut the chicane and give the place back but in such a way that they can immidiately line up for an overtacking move into the next corner without any penalties being given. Cant remember when or exactly where (possibly Monza) or even exactly who, but I definitely remember seeing it happen before.

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Thats the way I see it... however...

To those who say Lewis gained an advantage being forced off the track by being able to be closer to Kimi, despite letting off and giving him back his place, I can also see where they are coming from.

Its actually a pretty difficult decision to rule.. but by being inconsistant with previous decisions the FIA have possibly just proven once again that they have an anti-McLaren agenda.


Previous similar incidents/FIA decisions should set a precedent for decisions like today.. unless of course a new rule has been implemented, which begs the question..

What year did the 'gain an advantage' rule come into place? I'd have though the answer would be 'always'.. ??

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Originally Posted by 71minus2

all in all its a shame that ferrari had to complain when the recipient of the alleged unfair treatment couldn't hack the pressure, ran wide and stacked his car into the fence!

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Ferrari didn't complain. The stewards asked for their opinion and Ferrari gave it to them.

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Originally Posted by Zico

Previous similar incidents/FIA decisions should set a precedent for decisions like today.. unless of course a new rule has been implemented, which begs the question.

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The advantage of being inconsistent is there will be a "precedent" no matter which way you rule.

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Originally Posted by THE_LIBERATOR

So where is the fine/penalty for the Williams that was slow on the racing line & nearly took out both leaders?

Everytime you think this sport has reached a new low it gets lower.

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yeah if we are going to start dropping penalties, that would be the place to start. If it had just been Kim and ham, who knows whether kimi would have ended up all over the road. Thing is who was that? was it Rosberg or the other...
nevertheless, it was raining.......

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

Well we all know the Stewards' theme song---- 'Three blind mice'.
I just wonder how much actual racing experience they have, if any at all.
I have noticed people who have raced quite often have a different view of incidents than those who have not. In this case it seems pretty well everybody (but not all) are of the opinion there should be no penalty. I concur. As most of you who have read my other posts know I did race professionaly. I know Markabilly did too.
Many years ago the chief Steward in Ont. said he did not want former drivers as Stewards as they might be biased towards the drivers!
I am just afraid on the appeal that Lewis will be disqualified totally.

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I am no fan of LH dues primarily to his big mouth, but this was a rip off. In the wet, one is taking a chance and once the tires aquaplane, the best driver in the world is not going to save it and will slip and slide. Only liuck will permit survival. Hamilton was bragging about his skill afterwards, and i say what a crock on that. View the tapes again and look at all of his off-roading, and you will see right before kimi spun again hamilton was off and nearly stuck on the grass, but got lucky.

How anyone could be any type of former racing driver who has been in the rain and find something to penalize is beyond me. Of course there are ham fans who will always say that he was done wrong because they are his fans, but all the same, NO penalty, and if kimi had come out ahead--even though he was also all over the track---- I would say the same: no penalty.

Fact is despite what I said or implied above, due to the rain, I also say no penalty on the Williams driver either..

Reminds me again of the line from The Natural where Redford asks the news reporter (Duvall) "did you ever play the game??"

Sure is nice to watch this in very slow motion, frame by frame, to figure what the driver should have done, but get real, 99.999% of what we saw was instinctual reaction by all, not carefully thought strategy (so shut Lewis!!!)
and given that kimi got back in front, and far enough ahead of Hamster before he spun (and Hamster was just completing his own off-road trip), it is hard to say there should be any penalty.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Which ignores the fact that Lewis was 6km/h slower than Kimi as they crossed the start/finish line. What is seen as the slipstream was simply Lewis being Lewis on the brakes i.e. better & later than anyone else.

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Listen I don't care how McLaren want to dress it up. He could have been 500kph slower. He went off the track and appeared to make a gain for doing so.

End of story.....

You either have a sport which is 100% show and has very loose regulations or you have a sport which is highly regulated and as such is very fair.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

The advantage of being inconsistent is there will be a "precedent" no matter which way you rule.

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Unfortunately for the integrity of F1...