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Originally Posted by indycool
perfect examples..... terry throws those # in the mix....doesn't factor in a diveder and claims increase...
we both know he is famous for spinning the #'s.....heck it's his Job....don't fault him for it
just don't buy it
Ken, I can't believe the conclusions you draw which go way past whatever the action was.
None of us know what went into discussions on a deal with Nashville, Loudon, Toronto or Las Vegas. IMO, I doubt that Loudon and Las Vegas are off the board forever. Indeed, if I'm the IRL, after the mess CC created in Vegas, I stay out of that town for a few years to let the dust settle. Loudon is probably a good location when all parties can make it work, and there's no indication they can't, just not for this year.
And yes, I prefer ovals. But I don't dislike road courses. I'm not very warm to street courses. The series is 10 ovals and eight road and streets. Should I bellyache because there are a couple races I don't care much about? I think not. It's one series again. It's still ovalcentric. I suppose I could pull fly crap out of the pepper on something but I lost my magnifying glass.
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Originally Posted by indycool
and that's been my point since I started asking you how ovals aren't going to be replaced by more street/road coarses..
look no further the the final three races...a single oval...arguably the worst coarse from the CART era.... and a road coarse the diehard original Irilistas have had disdain for since it originally hit the schedule that has abismal attendance and TV ratings...
so again.... do you really not have some concerns that the IRL is going to continue to stray from 'The Vision' and become more and more like those two sanctioning bodies that have become extinct?
the current IRL is more similar to CART/CC than the 'ovalcentric were only in biz to support the I500 original IRL'
One. More. Time.
When TG announced the IRL, he said he wanted to return to an oval-based series. He was asked the question about road courses and his reply was, "not in the immediate future."
Road courses did NOT join the schedule until well past the "immediate future."
Chicagoland has NEVER run a CART race. You are thinking of Chicago Motor Speedway, built by Ganassi interests at Sportsmans Park, which died.
Infineon does NOT have unhealthy attendance numbers, promotes well (Davey Hamilton took an Oakland A's pitcher from his home to the ballpark last week in the two-seater) and just signed another three-year deal. The majority of those who complain about it are CARTistas who lament the loss of Laguna Seca in that market and CART and CC screwed up Laguna so bad that THEY left it and went to run over railroad tracks at San Jose.
TEN (10) ovals is more than CART and/or CC had since the early '80s. Earlier in the IRL's history, it had fewer for a couple years when the league was starting. It has grown to include more ovals and some road and street courses in its 13-year history and has remained "ovalcentric," IMO.
So you think the majority of this 17% increase are brand new viewers that didn't watch either series? Do you really beleive that?Quote:
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I think that's what I said.Quote:
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I don't think that's what I said.Quote:
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I was talking about Belle Isle....not chicago...Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
Infineon not unhealthy attendace wise...are friggin kidding?
and it's clearly not ovalcentric anylonger....when you have to check race to race to see what the next race is: oavl/road/strett...and 2 of the final three aren't ovals it's just not...
and over the last 3 seasons we have seen the addition of 8 street coarse v 1 oval.....even when places like Vegas and Louden have campaigned to be on the schedule
make no mistake.... as fan of diversity i love the current schedule...in fact I'd like to see a couple more road AND ovals sooner rather than later
problem is based on CURRENT history it doesn't appear that will be the case
the sooner you face that reality( it's no longer ovalcentric, and not headed back any time soon) the sooner we can have a rational conversation about the NOAWR schedule..
until then....enjoy the sand....becuase your head is firmly in it
Ken,
Just what the heck is your definition of "ovalcentric"? I would say to me that means more than half of the races are on ovals. So unless you are going to somehow argue that 8 is now more than 10 I would say you are wrong on this one. The IRL is still ovalcentric. I think that is also IC's point.
Plus I never heard TG say anything about never wanting to have road courses. In fact I believe that he wanted some back in '94, but then realised that it wouldn't happen for a few years. So the IRL ended up as an oval only series for a little while.
nascar is ovalcentricQuote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
but when you have to check the schedule to see if the next race is a lefty or right it is no longer Ovalcentric
when a series adds 8 righties and drops more ovals by a 4 (or is it 5) to 1 margin than it adopts over the same span it is no longer ovalcentric....
my original question (roughly)however many pages ago was....based on the current trend of adding rights and droping lefts...at what point will it IYO (or IC's) opinion no longer be ovalcentric and why based on tha same information should there be any confidence in TG to maintain it
and the general consensus by the hooklineandsinker crwod is...'well CC and CART are BK'..
problem is the IRL now currently lloks more like those series than the original IRL....
so now what?
just becuase I'm a fan of what is happening on the track doesn't mean there can't be some concern for the leadership of the sport....does it?
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No, you didn't. You said:"That the overall viewership is only up 17%, means that a not so small portion of CCWS fans have chosen to watch something else instead." But by excerpting my reply, quoted in its entirety above, it made it look like I said the same thing. The point I made was that this 17% could just as easily be the entire mass of folks who watched ONLY ChampCar.Quote:
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that there was a pool of 100,000 viewers. 17,000 or 17% watched only the ChampCar series. Another 16,000 viewers only watch the IRL. Leaving 67,000 or 67% who watched BOTH series. So now that there is one series, and there is a 17% bump, you claim that it means in your words "that a not so small portion of CCWS fans have chosen to watch something else instead." I say it could just as easily be that the entire 17% who only watched only ChampCar now watch the IRL. I know my numbers are total fiction, but so is the assumption that a "not so small portion have chosen to watch something else".
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Then what did you say??? How else can you arrive at the assumption that a large number are not watching any more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Monaco
Gary