Will anyone in Indycar ever make it to F1 now???

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Originally Posted by ezhop7

LuguiStone and Spiderman go ask Montoya and Speed why they did not stay in F-1 and jacque could have stay in F-1 too. Seems to me that both Speed and Montoya still have lots of drive left in the tank. Maybe the scene in europe is just to much to take if you don't run with Ferrari or Mclaren, hmm you'll be a backmarker. Seems to me that you answered your question about Kaanan and Wheldon...they be in NASCAR before the high class F1 owners hire either of them. The best drivers are not in F1...most of the rides beside the top 4 teams are all money bought rides. Sato, Force India, Jensen Button, Mark Webber, and the rest I can't even pronounce are not the best driver in the world.

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Speed and Villeneuve (in the case of villeneuve it's hard to say) were fired, nobody wanted them anymore. Montoya was sure out of McLaren. Maybe he could heve been drive for a backmaker-team, but Montoya doesn't want to lose...
Most of f1 backmakers have won championships in other forms of racing before, as most the front runners did.
There a realy good racers in f1.

The question to you: Why drivers woho couldn't get a ride in f1 don't go to IndyCars, but to NASCAR, Sportscars, DTM and so on...
Why IndyChamps are leaving for NASCAR?

Ind if you couldn't pronounce the names that might have something to do with your nationalitiy. English speaking people are a little lazy and arrogant when it comes to foreign languages...

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Originally Posted by indycool

Emerson Fittipaldi came out of retirement after an F1 career and went Indy car racing, won two Indianapolis 500s, and enjoyed himself a lot more than he did in F1. He excelled in both. So did Mansell. EVERYONE who has come out of F1 to Indy cars has not done this. Mario Andretti came out of sprint cars to win an F1 title. But everyone who has gone from Indy cars to F1 has not done well, either (or had competitive rides, I might add). There is no way to categorize EITHER as the BEST drivers because of the series they happen to be in......or Steve Kinser or John Force or Jeff Gordon, for that matter.

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I don't remember someone who did better in f1 than in IndyCars... The other way around, i know a lot of drivers...

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Originally Posted by indycool

But everyone who has gone from Indy cars to F1 has not done well, either (or had competitive rides, I might add)

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Having a competitive car is not relevant.

Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher, Kimi Raikkonen and Fernando Alonso did not have competitive machinery when they made their debuts in F1 with little or no experience of cars of a similar performance level. Kimi came straight from Formula Renault, which isn't even on the same level as Barber-Dodge, into the Sauber F1 team

What they, and other F1 big-names have done, is make an impression in a car that should have prevented them from doing so.

As an example, it wasn't a lack of a 'competitive' car that got Zanardi the boot from Williams...it was being crap compared to Ralf Schumacher in the same car that got him the boot. Zero points in a Williams is pathetic.

The lack of a competitive car is a poor excuse for not performing and has no place in Formula One.

Well, I've never seen anyone come close to winning an F1 race in a lousy car.

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Originally Posted by indycool

Well, I've never seen anyone come close to winning an F1 race in a lousy car.

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In the lousy car zanardi scored 0 points with, Ralf Schumacher did some podiums.
In the lousy car andretti failed, Senna won 5 races...

And in the end: Damon Hill nearly won the 1997 hungarian grand prix in an arrows...
Or Jenson Button when he won 2006 in hungary with the Honda.

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Originally Posted by indycool

Well, I've never seen anyone come close to winning an F1 race in a lousy car.

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It wasn't suggested they WON in a lousy car, only that they impressed enough to get a drive in a decent one...

But now that you mention it...

- 1998 Belgian GP : Damon Hill won in a Jordan. Jordan was NEVER a top team, they were midfielders at best.

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Originally Posted by JSH

It wasn't suggested they WON in a lousy car, only that they impressed enough to get a drive in a decent one...

But now that you mention it...

- 1998 Belgian GP : Damon Hill won in a Jordan. Jordan was NEVER a top team, they were midfielders at best.

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1999, when Herbert won in a stewart at the nurburgring
or 2003 fisichellas victory in interlagos in a jordan

My point is how can someone say that F1 drivers are the best in the world when they do not race on all of the different type of pavement circuits. Michael Schumacher is a great driver but how good would he be on a short oval the same said for Jeff Gordon in a F1 car at Monaco. It is like comparing Apples and Oranges. The only drivers who you really can say are truly great are Mario(Won in F1, Indy and Daytona), and AJ Foyt (LeMans, Indy and Daytona). Basically until F1 drivers of today race on all of the different type of pavement circuits (super speedways, short ovals, road and street courses). I will not considered them the Worlds Greatest Drivers! They are great at road course racing but are not the World's Greatest drivers.
I wish Indy had a dirt 1/2 track in the series how about Knoxville. But it ain't happening!!!

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Originally Posted by ezhop7

My point is how can someone say that F1 drivers are the best in the world when they do not race on all of the different type of pavement circuits. Michael Schumacher is a great driver but how good would he be on a short oval the same said for Jeff Gordon in a F1 car at Monaco. It is like comparing Apples and Oranges. The only drivers who you really can say are truly great are Mario(Won in F1, Indy and Daytona), and AJ Foyt (LeMans, Indy and Daytona). Basically until F1 drivers of today race on all of the different type of pavement circuits (super speedways, short ovals, road and street courses). I will not considered them the Worlds Greatest Drivers! They are great at road course racing but are not the World's Greatest drivers.
I wish Indy had a dirt 1/2 track in the series how about Knoxville. But it ain't happening!!!

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Well, with what you're saying...

Jim Clark is the greatest driver ever!

And I wouldn't disagree!

Yes, ezhop7, and you can throw in drag racing, motorcycles, dirt, pavement, sprinters, midgets, stock cars, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and ug, A.J. Foyt will tell you that he feels Jimmy Clark was the best driver he ever faced.