Good news for You. For people on stages another car less and that's no good news in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Good news for You. For people on stages another car less and that's no good news in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Anyone who judges the health of a sport by how many WRCars go by is an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
i prefer to see rally drivers on stages...but ok that is my opinion.
Wouldn't it be better to see "rally drivers" and also many privateer drivers on the stages?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
IMHO yes!
no i prefer rally drivers in the penicle of the sport... i go to see a rally, not a parade of cars.
If i want to see car parade i go to village events in my country...for the WRC i want only the top to compete in all classes.
block was/is nice to watch on some places, there are defenetly worse drivers around.
All rally drivers should and must be welcome.
Quality, not quantity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
If the WRC becomes a series full of gentlemen drivers then the series dies.
Blabla... How can a one driver more do the competition worse? Will Sebs, JML etc. drive worse because Block is there with them? No. So the only difference is that Block is not there and there is one less car to watch. If You go watching stages live just because of three or four drivers and than You come home, ok, it's You choice but I'm absolutely sure, You and NOT are in very very small minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You're missing what i was saying. I am saying that losing a driver who is never going to win isn't exactly going to kill the series. If we lost the two WORKS Citroen drivers then that would really harm the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, I would LIKE to go to see WRC Neste Oil Rally with 6 drivers. Would be very coolQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
What is it about this thread that means no one on here can understand a rather simple post? I never said I wanted to see less cars, I simply said that losing 2 drivers who weren't exactly competitive isn't really the biggest loss. I'd MUCH rather see someone in a lower class car which is more competitive than a couple of famous also rans in WRCars.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Isnt it dead anyway in anything but the enthusiasts eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Id rather go see loads of WRC cars with a few quality drivers, rather than a handful of top drivers and then just group N, R3 stuff etc!
It's not that I'm happy if Block leaves WRC, but I juge him as one of the slowest WRC drivers of the last years. Sure, it may be nice to watch, but the speed isn't there...Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstar
Sadly some people don't seem to care. As long as there's a WRCar on the stage they seem to mindlessly think that this is good for the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
I never said it's going to kill the series or anything like that. Why do You answer something what was never said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I rather think it is. Quite often, the sport and everything connected with it are mocked if you go on various websites, forums, podcasts, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
I don't mind him competing as there should always be a place for privateers in WRC, but his team shouldn't have been a registered manufacturer, at least if WRC takes itself seriously. Likewise for most other sole privateers.
Actually the rallying started with gentlemnen drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I want to see the WRC to have only the best drivers...and by best i mean those that have to offer something apart from their name...not necessary to be winners but at least to manage and offer good stage times and give their best, for example solberg cannot win an event but the sport will be poorer next year because of his departure.
Kimis,Blocks,Slowsons,Oliveras,Araujos ects ects do not have something to offer for me they are just time wasters since we could see the top guys from each class go and then have time to see more stages rather than wait for them to cruise through, maybe they are good to see who of the lesser class drivers are good and can be faster than them.....
I would not mind an entry of 30-40 cars of the absolute best from each class.
There are village events to go and see the local heros who pretend to be rally drivers, no need for the WRC to become like that....it should have an aura that only the best can be there.
But that is my opinion.
Nothing to cheer about eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
So you guys who want to get rid of Ken Block, and Kimi, and Van Merksteins and anyone else who are not "top class" - do you want to tell the MSport and PH guys that they are redundant? and I don't mean Malcolm and Benoit Nogier, the ordinary guys on low money both in the factory and on event. Because if you get your wish they wont be needed.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
There should be a dislike button also.
Don’t forget that many of these “quantity” drivers paying the entry feee etc. enables the running of rallies.
The so called lower level WRC drivers is not doing so spectacular driving but IMO it’s nicer to spectate a bad WRC driver than these boring N4 cars. Even N3, R2 and R3 cars are nicear to spectate. Ok, I’ve some spectacular driving with N4 cars also but the sound is so LAME.
AmenQuote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Whole motorsport was founded by wealthy gentlemen. While gentleman drivers has been natural part of the sport since the very first days, professional drivers were delivered by factory teams much later. And the fact is that rallying without gentleman drivers would just die. Simple as that. Some people must wake up from dreams about 50 professional robots on stages. That will never happen and a handful of them can not keep the sport alive. No-one would organize a rally for less than a dozen of cars and no-one would come to watch except N.O.T. and Daniel who would fly to the other side of the globe to see two Sebs alone.
Loss of any driver shall never be considered good news and cheering that is just stupid.
i think that its because of sebs some people are travelling to the other side of the world not to see Slowsons,kimis ects...otherwise we would visit any local village event on the map.
The WRC should have the best or at least competent people, the rest of the rally events including the IRC ERC APRC can have whoever wants to call himself a rally driver because that is their purpose.
Ken Block last year scored just 2 points in the season. Loeb scored 270 or something. But Loeb winning another title was never going to attract any more fans. Ken Block is well known world wide from his gymkhana videos and will have brought the attention of the sport to many more new fans.
Rallying is a unique sport where the rookie new drivers in lower classes get to compete at the same event alongside the worlds best, that is rallying for you. And one less car on a stage is never a good thing.
You're onto it tfp. Rallying is an inclusive sport. Take that away and it ceases to be what it is and will lose appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Maybe the fact that everyone can jump in the same league as the big boys if they have the money made it lost its appeal as well.... its a double razor knife i think, and that is why i believe that the WRC must set a few standards to make it appealing to a larger public...since most people are fascinated when something is difficult to get into and has high standards.
So, according to you, we should have WRC events with just 20 or 30 crews running thru the weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
What do the spectators think about it? And what about the organizers?
IMHO they'll want you dead, if such a thing would happen! :D
Everybody is entitled to have their chance and try to reach the top.
If he/she/it - fails, he/she/it - gives up. As simple as that.
A process, called - Natural Selection.
there is a looong line for that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
I do not care what organisers and spectators think....i care about what is the proper thing to do in my opinion. If getting rid of tourists makes organisers of WRC events angry so be it the candidates are numerous to take their place. And if spectators who value numbers above quality leave the sport then its going to be a better place for sure.
As i said...there is a place for everyone who thinks he is a rally driver...
not when it comes to rallying unfortunately...in EVERY other sport/motosport must prove yourself to reach he top, and if you fail at the top then "they quit" you....in the WRC you just spend more money (like slowson).Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
And that is where my objection lies...we need to have standards at the TOP of the sport.
As I said earlier, they shouldn't have allowed teams like Monster WRT or Brazil WRT (and a few more) be registered as manufacturers, and with that pretend like they're serious competitors. But if they want to compete in WRC events, let them. It's been like that since its incarnation, and only now some people suddenly see it as a problem.
Anybody not impressed with Raikonenenen's spped right out of the gate in the "old" cars and his good transition to the "new' 1.6 cars is an idiot..Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Seems we have proven beyond reasonable doubt that NOT is NOT too bright.
And Hello! Neighbor Tommeke_B! My family comes from right by Roeselare. Well we would have been neighbors up to about 1634....
I did chase some cute girls in Roselare and Westerroozebeke many years ago...boy did I like the local lamcic beers and fritjes!
We guess the whole beer, fritjes and falling in "lurv" with the 2 girls---best friends---was some genetic throwback.
Jan v L
Sure it did. But well into the late 80s or even early 90s, (with the exception of some crazy years of 200 total, and 10% ''Evolution'' models under Group B times) indeed up to the arrival of the "Wörld Rally Car'' rules the cars the heroes, the really fast cays were in the basic car wasn't DRASTICALLY different in terms of the most basic thing about a car : the body shell.... and the suspension that bolts to it...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
I owner and rallied a Saab, built at a higher spec because of our free-er rules, only 7 years after it won itäs last WRC event---and good drivers, not me!!! but good drivers could still make them go well.
I own a Sierra Cosworth 4x4 thing had it only 6-7 years after they were a reasonable car at the highest levels.
Me. A mechanic and machinist.
I will never SIT in any car built under the Wörld rally Car rules..
I will never be able to afford Reiger or whatever söspendös at 4000 euros per corner and giving 33+35 cm travel
Back when the CARS were imaginable, identification, imagining doing what those Gentlemän Draivers was possible, so they weren't in the least annoying.
Now at most national levels the cost of the car alone has created a ''auto- um ) va fan är ordet för 'gallering''_? Utslag process? ) limited ''gene-pool'' so to speak.
basically in most countries the sport is insanely expensive for any current car and only people with lots of money from somewhere can afford the CURRENT CARS dvs homologated cars...
The higher the class the more the money needed.
Its clear at some point the ability to rasie money becomes far more important than driving ability.
Then Vörlds Sampiönship rally becomes become no longer a time for watching being blown away at the top 20 and ''identifying' with those other guys, it becomes only for use to ''admire'' and''adore'' the 'heroes'..
Besides, the entry isn't a zero-sum game.....one rich guy out, another rich guy in, not a lot of difference.
Really, what about 75% of all F1 drivers...?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
i do not bother with F1 since 1999 so i really do not know the situation there...are there pay drivers there ? who are they ?
From me, may all factory teams disappear from WRC as race participants and there were more factories that build cheaper rallycars that are equivalent for all!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If you do not have to pay expensive drivers and may sell cheaper rallycars. Those who would sell many cars have the best chance of winning the factory championship!
With all cars sold, similar tuned for all the same, there would be more top drivers that can win a wrcrally as you can see on IRC!
I guess nobody would likely have the chance to be so many years in a row wrcchampion as we saw in recent years.
Could we get back to topic?
Sorry, I couldn't resist :D
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