Allo, allo!..............
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Allo, allo!..............
According to the FIA:
- They brought the sport into disrepute.
- They did not use team orders.
It seems fair enough considering everyone uses them just not so blatantly.
But if they didn't use team orders how did they bring the sport into disrepute? And the fine of $50,000 imposed by the stewards for the use of team orders was not overturned by the WMSC so they did use team orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
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1. This is not isolated since Austria 2002.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
2. There still exists a grey area in that rule.
Given the above, I agree with the punishment.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
The rule needs to go. It is and was always stupid.
Everyone knew the verdict beforehand, so let's forget about the whole thing and move on.
According to the FIA they did. Who's the governing body?!Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
Yep, one without balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Uhh, team orders. Well, FIA was in a delicate situation about that one.
As there is a rule about team orders, I suppose they ought to have done at least something. I mean McLaren was stripped of their collected 15 WCC points in Hungary '07 for a team mess - I thought Ferrari could have been worthy of a similar penalty. But now FIA reminded a bit of a toothless dog, who failed to penalize the most obvious rule infringement. Granted, it was their own incompetent rule, which created an inability to reach a good decision to begin with.
On the other hand team orders have been part of the game all those years since the ban and nothing has been done. If this was penalized, surely Turkey '05 ("Alonso, overtake Fisi"), Brazil '07, China '08 and others should have been too. Team order is a team order... Bah...
Ferrari have not been fined for bringing the sport into disrepute.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
They have been fined for an infringement of Article 39.1, a decision subsequently upheld by the WMSC despite the FIA President confirming there was no evidence.
The FIA should be very grateful that Ferrari have not taken further legal action, as it is evident that the guilty verdict is wholly without basis. No evidence means that. No matter what some people think, as thoughts are not evidence. Hard facts are, and it is confirmed there were none.
As for bringing the sport into disrepute? Ferrari were charged by the Stewards and this is the reason the WMSC was called, yet no verdict was reached. That means that Ferrari were not guilty.
And, for anyone interested in real law, just because a team signs up to a Concorde Agreement does not mean that this agreement takes precedence over Civil law. An organisation cannot ignore the higher authority of the jurisdiction of the state in which it is based.
Edit to above - My mistake, Ferrari were charged with bringing the sport into disrepute.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre..._germangp.aspx
However, the FIA press release issued today confirms that there was not enough evidence to pursue the matter further.
The FIA president confirms there was no evidence to support the guilty verdict.
On the subject of the apparent discrepancy between this case and that of Mclaren in 2007, that case had confirmed evidence (later confirmed by Martin Whitmarsh in an admission of guilt as well as detailed examples of Mclaren employees using the information which they had illicitly gained), whereas the Ferrari case has no such evidence.
If one is struggling to see the fundamental difference between the two, and therefore the difference in penalty, then it is perhaps no surprise that an inability to understand what is admissible evidence also exists?