Some great machinery here too:
https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-c...wood-at-night/
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Some great machinery here too:
https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-c...wood-at-night/
Maybe newsworthy within British rallying thread or something. Pryce has done 2 R5 starts during the last three years so he's now "changing"? Is this even a permanent change or just a test drive?Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Seemingly he was supposed to be in the Polo from the second BRC round onwards, before it was cancelled. He's hoping to do some "high profile events" in 2021, but we'll see if he gets the budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
New Hyundai
https://twitter.com/hmsgofficial/sta...741874176?s=21
This says the car won't be available until summer 2021 but I can't find English source for it
https://www.rallit.fi/hyundai-esitte...on-parannettu/
Here it is in English:
https://www.fiaerc.com/wraps-come-of...-i20-n-rally2/
Citroen testing an Evo 2 model of the C3?
https://twitter.com/NachoVillarin/st...07412698828800
It could be, as the road C3 got a facelift (named Phase II) a couple of months ago. Anyway, the R5 version has been constantly improved although PSA Sport is not using the Evo badge every time they sort a new joker kit, like they did in the 208 and DS3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
The Evo on the Peugeot and DS3 was a very extensive joker. At least on the DS3 that I know better, it was a lot of parts on the cooling, direction, suspension and alternator. All at the same. Still, that car is a bit crazy xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Pontus Tidemand was testing Proton Iriz R5 at a secret location somewhere in the UK last week:
https://www.facebook.com/MellorsElli...pe=3&__tn__=-R
Re Iriz R5 - two were going to run this weekend at the NH Stages at Oulton Park, the first event of the MSN Circuit Championship.
But its just been postponed due to the UK lockdown. :(
Had been good to see Pontus in an Iriz in a couple of rallies!
Maybe in Sweden or Finland.
I'm sorry but using any money on a start with Iriz is like throwing them out of the window. Pontus needs a competitive machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Are we sure he'd be paying? The Mellors must have had some money to play with, as Oliver Mellors drove it fairly regularly. Gronholm testing it wouldn't have cost him anything...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm still not sure how far off the pace the Proton is. No way is it up there with the works Rally2s, but I don't think it's ridiculously far off. Oliver Mellors certainly isn't the quickest British driver and he wasn't massively off the pace of Matt Edwards on the Cambrian, on stages the latter knows like the back of his hand.
And there is only one way to find out where the car is compared to the best, get a top driver and compete internationally. That means ERC or WRC. Pontus has driven most R5s and will be able to pinpoint weak areas, as I am guessing he did after the test, then adjust and compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
If potential buyers is to give the Iriz a secong glance, they need to know its potential. The Mellors know this, and are trying to move ahead with the project.
I like people with balls, that dare to challenge the best!
I like that too and wish them all the best with the Iriz project.
But I think the number of second-hand proven R5's now out there will limit any sales.
They could be cheap to hire though. The second Iriz R5 due for the NH Stages was hired from (Eugene) Donnelly Motorsport in N.Ireland.
Only old Fiesta and both Fabias. Competitively, that is. Also tested the Polo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Besides the balls, they’ll likely need a bit more €ncouragement from Proton…Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
350 BHP claim with an R5 car doesn't add much credibility.
Where does it say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Here at the bottom picture, point 3.
https://www.mellorselliotmotorsport.com/proton-iriz-r5/
Well, either did they put the real figures, but as far as I know a R5 should be around the 300bhp margin (New cars)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes but the picture and the website advertises R5 and 350 BHP for real R5 is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
What is the output of a new Fabia, C3 or i20 Rally2 today on hp/nm?
No-one in the market to buy/hire one will take any notice of that 'claim'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I almost prefer that to the more common 275/280 figures the manufacturers publicise. Everybody loves an optimist...! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Maybe the 350bhp is a maximum depending on the state of tune that is required/allowed.
350 bhp is impossible for R5 and a complete nonsense. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Fully agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Is 300 hp and 450nm far off the truth for a Rally2 upgraded car?
No, it's close, real figures are bit higher, but depends on fuel of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
What kind of different fuels can they be mapped for?
And how much does a race fuel add?
Is e85/flexifuel allowed in Rally2?
Fuel requirements are covered by FIA Appendix J Article 252 Art. 9 on page 6, here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...2019.12.04.pdf
How much difference in price per liter is there btw the racefuels and pump price of 98 octan?
In here (Portugal), the racefuel cost around 5/6€ per litter. 98 special (ultimate, evologic and so on) goes around 1.70€/l so it's a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Cannot say for sure, but in our old lancer, the use of 98 oct or race fuel only gave us about 6/7 more bhp and 3% more Nm, however, the engine temperatures were much better with race fuel. We used the Sunoco one that is said to be the better one for that type of cars.
For instance, we tried the ETS for two races, and twice we blown up the turbo on the car, so, even between racing fuels there are differences.
I do believe that for most R5/Rally2 you either use Elf or VP tho.
without altering the engine map i suppose?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
You need diferent maps for diferent fuels (street to race and vice-versa) But same parameters as before. The combustion is better with Race fuel and a lot cleaner, there's where you got the gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
you have to alter the map properly to see the real advantage of the race fuel.
The gains you saw are almost nothing,probably due to not good altered map.
I think most powerful fuel for R5 now is ETS. Some other are quite close, some other are not much better than 102 pump fuel (but are more stable). If I remember correct difference between Pb98 and proper race fuel was some 7% in case of R5
I have very old (13 years old) dyno measurements from an Evo IX with 100 octane stock fuel (from that time) and 102 octane race fuel, both with the old 32 mm restrictor (gr.N rules from that time). The dyno is from one of the most well known tuners from here who at that time was also doing rallies himself. The graphs give 255 Hp/489 Nm for 100 octane stock fuel and 278 Hp/565 Nm for 102 octane race fuel. Also the torque peak for the race fuel is roughly 200 rpm lower and the power band is a bit wider.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga