Damn it STD. You write a whole essay to say two things:
1) Team orders, bad.
2) Ferrari, good.
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Damn it STD. You write a whole essay to say two things:
1) Team orders, bad.
2) Ferrari, good.
Anyone that believes Ferrari should be punished - should then start revoking MS's championships. !
That suggests an implied thread of sorts on Ferrari's behalf and assumes that they would not accept the WMSC's ruling should it go against them though doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
As a team, and organisation, which has signed up to the FIA F1 World Championship and, by implication, agreed to its rules and regulations, for Ferrari to resort to civil court action and challenge the FIA's authority in this way would have serious implications.
Martin Whitmarsh recently said, when asked if a breakaway series was still an option, "I think it is an option, but I think the sensible thing is for the parties to co-operate and not fight."
Here are one moore who has studied law for six years.
If Ferrari take the decision from the WDSC to a civil court they will bring the sport in to disrepute.
Which, by the way, they already did with this whole matter.
What unalienable right is this StD? As an organisation any rights exist in relation to the country of origin and then further the country in which they choose to conduct business - an organisation while it can be received at law as an individual is not recognised as such when it comes to 'unalienable rights' these are simply granted through specific legislation in individual countries. Further Ferrari have decided to compete in a competition through their own volition rather than through sheer force.....provided that all materials set before them in the signing of the contract are upheld and no specific legislation to be found in any relevant country is the FIA can set whatever rules it so wishes - the only argument which may be potentially argued is that the FIA have impeded Ferrari's rights at law to free trade......this would be incredibly weak and the chances of succeeding in a civil matter challenging any ruling would be difficult. Note of course the decision last yr concerning Briatore and Symmons and the subseuqent civil case where the issue at hand was not the WMSC's ability to set down such a ruling but rather the process undertaken in doing soQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
:D well in order to arrive, sometimes the journey is long!Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
I respectfully disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
As previously stated, I hope there is no further punishment imposed on Ferrari by the WMSC. I believe that blatant team orders were imposed as did the Stewards at the meeting in question. It is also my opinion that the WMSC will find the same and deem Ferrari Guilty but I feel it is counter-productive to punish them further and spending time sorting out this unsuitable piece of sporting legislation would be more appropriate. However, there is little doubt that Ferrari are guilty of not only imposing blatant team orders but arguably bringing the sport into disrepute by doing so.
Now, my opinion of how this should be handled has nothing to do with what the WMSC will actually do. They may decide that there is insufficient evidence and reverse the Stewards penalty. I think this is very unlikely but if it does happen then Ferrari will leave the hearing completely vindicated and guilty of nothing apart from informing Massa in a very strange way that Alonso was faster than him....
This is the most unlikely outcome IMHO. What is more likely is that they might hit Ferrari with a draconian penalty but suspend it for a year or 2 to ensure Ferrari don't dare do this again. The Stewards will be justified, Ferrari will have been found guilty and punished while Ferrari will have to keep their noses clean.
What is coming out as the most likely outcome is that the WMSC will remove points from the drivers and/or team in further punishment.
If anything apart from the first scenario happens then Ferrari will be found guilty and if they feel unfairly judged, can attempt to clear their name by going through the courts.
They will not do this and I will put money on it because if they do, they will lose.
Why?
Because the WMSC will call Rob, Filipe, Stefano, etc to swear on oath that there was no team order given in the coded radio transmissions.
Do you think they will all perjure themselves over this?
Of course, they might decide to appeal if they are innocent but that's where our difference of opinion exists. If they are found guilty, which I am confident they will, I bet they don't appeal. Do you think they will and if you're so sure, I'll take your money off you in a friendly wager. After all, you're the expert in this and I'm just a noob taking a punt :)
You've been chatting to Sting again, haven't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean.......
;) :D :laugh:
Punish all the teams , or change the rule .
That's how stupid this is .
It's a team sport , but everyone has seemingly forgotten this .
Or , perhaps they can just ban the phrase "Driver X is faster than you ." so it can't be used again .
I guess they used that wording in Melbourne , too , but Felipe didn't have the same reaction . He didn't let Fernando past .
So , my opinion has Ferrari pointing to this , and since Felipe was petulent enough in Oz , it will show them that , indeed , it was his decision to yield to his team-mate .
He made two different decisions when told the same information at two different times .
They escaped whitout further penalties.
Why arenīt I suprised.