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Gilmour is slow.
Do you have the brains to write something that is longer than a few words are you too busy licking windows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Haha, a little bit harsh :p ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
I think haydon padden is an up and coming star in the making, as is Tanak.
Just my opinion of course ;)
Does anyone know whats hapenning with PG? If ostberg has no budget....How about PG in ostbergs place at stobart?
You're getting smarter, Watson.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
But please, make up your mind once and for all,
because the first phrase of your post (quote: i accept that... ) contradicts all the rest.
What's wrong with the source in question.Quote:
all i am saying is that before we actually post something in here we should think if the source is actually legitimate...
If you have any doubts, feel free to make a personal investigation of the source.
With this statement of yours, you denied the thread "[WRC] News & rumours" as a whole.Quote:
because a rumour is not very far from junk news.... which is not nice.
How often have I said to you, Watson,Quote:
got that sherlock ??
that when you have eliminated the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
"Sherlock Holmes"
which contradicts the initial post of your garbage news...Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
For a cheap version or Mr Downey, you are exactly that..cheap.
i rest my case or the american will get me.
Interesting stuff! Maybe VW are thinking about the marketing potential by having a female driver in their portfolio. Can't be a bad move. They have done it before with Mouton in the Quattro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Livewireshock
As well the Polo could be considered as a car aimed at the female motorist, whereas the Golf and especially the Scirocco, IMO, are aimed more at male drivers. So possibly a cleaver marketing move.
i wonder how much Gilmour payed to get a chance at VW because she is not a rally driver, let alone a fast one.
Didn't you say something similar about Hayden Paddon a few months back?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
It seems to me you can type faster than your brain can think.
Just to let you know Paddon, Gilmour, Proton, Mikko, Kimi, village rally drivers (as you call them), Matt Wilson etc don't have to prove anything to you. They are out there doing it, you are stuck behind a computer screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Why respond to him , let him just type his drivel .
of course they don't... They care more about sponsors, managers and manufacturers when it comes to proving things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
I never really craved to become a rally driver, i only like it as a spectacle and sport. I definatelly wanted to become far more useful in the earth ecosystem than driving around the world and having people clapping their hands and blowing airhorns every time they watched me, or even sitting behind a monitor and judge me in bad or good ways, and now that i think about it i am FAR more useful than all the above guys as most people with proper Jobs or even hobbies.
so back to the topic about Gilmour....yeah she is not that fast, at least paddon is fast compared to the other lesser competiton competitors...and he deserves a test in a WRC to see if he has what it takes
hope WV makes good use of her money.
the experiment goes well...my style of writting changed but the insults remain....The Human kind is way too predictable. Am i right Mr american moderator ?
VW to assess Emma Gilmour as part of WRC driver hunt - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
Originally Posted by MR666
I just read that Nasser is trying to secure a DS3 WRC for next year with Barwa support.
Will Barwa pay enough so he can get a good car or something like Petter this year?
And what is wrong with Peter's DS3 WRC????Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
You can pay as much as you can, it is still not a works car, and spec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
I read that Nasser wants to create a Qatar next top WRC stardriver. in 5 years time Qatar wil have a young star driver, by training and getting experience in lower classe and finally in WRC. Probalry with Citroen in WRC and Peugeot in lower classes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Its dog slow compared with the manufacturer cars:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Yep you're right about that :up: .....Still we can only hope that people try to do better. In fact you were doing really really well up until:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
THAT was not called for, and and I'm not even sweatin' the last shot directed at me.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I dont usually do public warnings as I really don't like them-they get everyone stirred up-but here it is: clean it up or leave.
I, for one would hate to see you leave, you add a lot of content to the forum, and most of it is really good. Work on the attitude and things will go well, if not take a vacation....the ball is in your court, sir. :s mokin:
I wonder what it is that urges you to insult other people without cause or knowledge. It's certainly not a habit of successful people whether they be sports people or eco-technophobes.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Clearly, Emma Gilmour is a rally driver. A very talented and successful one at that. She might not be quite on Paddon's speed (but then few people are) but I'd wager that she would hold her own against most of the other tryouts for the VW seat. I believe she has a history, not only in New Zealand but also in Europe, of showing remarkable speed.
Whether she's got what VW are looking for remains to be seen. I guess that's what a test is for.
She can be only a guest there.
You seem to have this strange habit of needing to defend people from down under.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Sadly in Australia and NZ the level of competition is well behind that which you get in Europe. There have been plenty of immensely talented drivers in various fields down under, but sadly if they don't leave and go to Europe or the US fairly early in their careers then their careers are generally guaranteed to flatline. People like Possum, Cody Crocker, Craig Lowndes and various others have reached the peak of their domestic championships but have just failed to compete on the world stage and it's not for lack of talent that's for sure. Have a look at Casey Stone and Mark Webber, the two most successful people that Australia has produced of late and the one thing they share is having gone to Europe by the time they were both 20 or so and they both moved onto high level competition shortly after.
It would be nice to see a woman in the WRC and not purely just because she's a woman, but sadly I think Emma's probably spent too much time in Australia and New Zealand and that will probably be a limiting factor on her future regardless of how much talen she has.
She doesn't have balls. :D
Seriously someone should just ban you, you add absolutely nothing to this forum other than mindless 3 or 4 word comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
cut the crap, 37000 comments for what?! go back to australia from europe.
I also think money is a problem for us down under. Scott Dixon tested for Williams in 2003 or something and didn't get a drive with any of the back teams, even though in that year the f1 field took on a few wealthy no-hopers. Paddon and Emma G will struggle to make a career in any international rally series as there is not enough corporate interest and European rich kids and ken blocks will take precedent over them always for that reason.
Most of what you've written I actually agree with except this;I actually very seldom 'defend' anybody from these parts. In this case I was merely correcting a typically outrageous fatuous statement made by your Grecian buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
... and this;I don't accept that this is necessarilly true. Make no mistake. The resources may be limited, which restricts the numbers who can play at the top level, but those who do are on a par with their counterparts from any other region. And the competition is fierce. You need look no further than Paddon for an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Actually Daniel was spot on about your posts and behaviour here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I have 700+ posts, where do you want to send me? :D
Nowhere. Let's talk about news and rumours.
What you think about ICE1 future? If i righr understanding, after missing Australia Rally team will be excluded from manufacters
I think we will not see the team next year, No sponsors at all, and only the CEO of the team drives the car.
Maybe a few appearances in local events and a few WRC for fun.
Agree and disagree Daniel. In the Asia Pacific region, money has always being a limiting factor in getting the better drivers through the sport. Motor racing isn't as big in these regions, which makes it a playground for the rich, much like WRC now days when many drivers are forced to sit on the sidelines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Getting to Europe is massively expensive for Aussies and Kiwis who find it hard enough to get sponsors in their own countries. Paddon has gone beyond what others have had to do to run this year, and it is why Atkinson is only running APRC, as he isn't going to come back with a half-arsed effort, that's just pointless. To do a 3 day event in Europe costs $60,000 to $80,000 for an outsider in a Group N4 car, once you hire the car, insurance, recce cars, tyres, pay for service crew, flights etc. It just is not sustainable for people to do that :P
So after all that I agree with you to an extent, but if the WRC wasn't so geared towards Europe, it might be a more achievable for non Europeans to get to the top level.
Back on Emma,
It will be interesting to see how she goes, she definitely won't be as fast as the others, but look what Atkinson did after preseason tests with Subaru in 2005. Top 10 times in Sweden in a new car, new surface, new tyres. Only other driver capable of this is Hayden Paddon. Emma is better than Molly Taylor by a long way, but yes, it's more the novelty of a decent female driver.
Sadly, it’s the way of modern day Motorsport. Look at MotoGP – a huge amount of Spanish & Italian riders in the 3 classes, and to be brutally honest – far too many for a World Championship!! Similarly in WRC we’ve had many Finns getting drives, purely because they’re Finnish and get good backing, which considering how small the population is compared to Australasia doesn’t make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Should it matter whether driver A or driver B is from Outer Mongolia or France? No, but France is a so called ‘more important’ market.
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Originally Posted by sollitt
I think mentioning Paddon somewhat proves my point. He's far younger than Gilmour and he's made the jump from NZ to Europe earlier and in a higher class. Of course the limited amount of funds influences what the level of competition, but what I'm trying to say is that if a driver stays in a country where the level of competition isn't as high as Europe for too long, then their career later on may be limited.
If I were an Aussie or Kiwi driver wanting a long and successful career then the first thing I'd try to do would be to make the move over to Europe.
Well world motorsport is a business, and in business money will always be the most important factor, its normal for the companies to go for the drivers with the best sponsors and backing because that will make their job easier. Sure everybody would like to see the fastest and the best drivers to get their chances but why go for a driver with no money when you can have one not far away in speed but with lots of money that can help the team ??
The problem you mention about the backing is everywhere in countries with no motorsport culture. Italy, Spain, France, Finland, USA have motorsport cultures which makes the crowds interested thus leading into companies throw money where the crowds are in order to make profit.
Its not welfare, its business.
I know what you're saying and that sadly is what drivers from that region have to deal with it or resign themselves to only ever being a national champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch555
It's not a criticism of the region or the drivers. It's simply the way it is. Look as Casey Stoner and Mark Webber, they left Australia and never looked back. I know it's expensive, but if you want to compete at the top, staying in a rallying backwater (figuratively speaking) is not going to advance your career. Crocker, Bourne and Lowndes were all drivers who IMHO could probably be rally/race winners if they had left Australia and NZ earlier in their careers.
Atkinson's story is a sad one. I honestly think the guy had the speed to win a rally or two, but signing with Subaru in their twilight years sadly meant that he was always destined to fail and IMHO having Glenn MacNeal as a co-driver wasn't the best move and he improved rather a lot with Prevot alongside him even when the car seemed to be getting worse. I know a lot of people disagree on MacNeal, but he just had no rhythm to his notes and I think this was part of the reason why Chris, who was never a crasher, turned into one.
Yes....and you sholud definitely know as you tried both cars (Seb's and Peter's) or you were at least around when they had a common testing and you found with your hand watch that Peter is slower compared to SebI&SebII.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I'm tired of reading of this ''expert opinions''.....
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
Both of you are RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It is a major marketing problem outside of Europe. Rallying is always going to cost 'an arm and a leg', however, I do believe FIA needs to have a rethink on rallying as a whole. You can't have a World Championship heavily based in Europe. If they want to really make rallying a premier sport again, there needs to be some risk taken and try and push into markets which are less used such as Africa, China, Japan, Australia/NZ and USA/Canada. Even FIA car regulations are biased towards European manufacturers. European cars are few and far between and cost more overseas due to importation taxes. Japanese cars are everywhere yet we don't really see them homologated for 2wd competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Australia and USA no longer use FIA regs as there is no manufacturer support which made it harder for decent drivers to get to the national level. It does go two ways, organisers of rallying at the national level also need to look at themselves and try to reinvigorate the sport in their own way, yet keep the FIA happy.
Anyhow... back on topic of News and Rumours :P
Nah, lets continue on! This is a great topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch555
I think you have to accept that Rallying is primarily a European sport. Even when Hyundai, Subaru, Toyota and Mitsubishi ran WRC campaigns they were Europe based efforts.
I think rallying needs to concentrate on having good events rather than having events in strategic markets. Bring the Safari back, perhaps go to Indonesia for another rally over that side of the world, but focus on quality rather than ticking boxes.
Yeah, concentrate on getting some stability and more Manufacturers in the sport. Then start thinking about growing into a proper World Championship. I think they've tried to run before they can walk - the sport just isn't big enough, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel