You can ignore me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
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You can ignore me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Guys...let's move on or this thread will be closed and a couple of you will be banned for a month ! Also please stop posting comments about members identity, Feedback Forum is the place for that! Don't let me ask this again...
He did not cry .Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
He said "ridiculous" .
And , indeed it was , that Felipe would risk both the Ferrari cars as Alonso made his move to take the lead after Felipe was told that Fernando was faster the first time .
Massa is a mouse , and Ferrari knew he was back-footed enough that he might react poorly in any passing attempt by a team-mate getting the better of him .
And , they were right .
He was told by his team that Fernando was faster in three separate transmissions .
In the first , he closed the door , prompting the "ridiculous" statement .
Then , the second transmission and subsequent refusal prompted Fernando to drop back and prove his point by catching up his team-mate at will .
The third time prompted a humiliated Felipe-baby to pout and , encouraged by his nurse-maid Smedley , proceed to drop his team in it .
Felipe needs to try to play the role the team has decided he must , and to try to act with a bit more class .
A pout only goes so far in the pirranha club .
Drive faster , or try to be a touch more dignified as a number two .
Unless the car is yards ahead of the rest , a number two is necessary , in most cases , for success .
Everyone , pretty much has to do it at some time , and some never leave the role .
A solid number two can win you a championship , and I believe that is what they hired Felipe to be , essentially , because they never expected him to be as fast as Fernando .
They were right .
Now wouldn´t that be great? Especially since we know that Alonso´s overtaking attempts on Massa in the past never ended up in collisions... Why would a McLaren fan want that really? I wonderQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Here we go again ,,,,,,?Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
Kimi's time at Ferrari was actually one of the most successful compared to the majority of Ferrari drivers. During his first two years he won almost 26% of the races he entered which is a very high percentage - it was the last season that saw him become totally disaffected with the team and disenchanted with f1 because of the horrible F60 and f1 politics.
Although at the track he ruled during his time he did light up at Spa and win. Since then despite ALL its efforts Ferrari have won only two more grands prix - less than stellar.
Thats Kimi - when he does not have a car that is a winner he loses the motivation because he does not race to make up numbers. This is the attitude of a champion.
And in 2007 at Interlagos, there is nothing wrong with Massa letting Kimi through - this is a team and the object was to clinch the championship. This has always been done in f1, including with drivers such as Fangio, and it is both right and proper.
If Kimi does have a failing it is also not his attitude at Ferrari because Niki Lauda always hated the emotional side of Ferrari - it is that his capacity for working towards making the car is low because he has no interest and therefore he also has no method and so without good testing skills, through choice, a team flounders.
This is vastly different to previous Ferrari drivers like Lauda and Schumacher who loved the challenge and JOINED Ferrari because that challenge existed at the time.
This is not a McLaren thread so I will just remind that Ron Dennis of ALL people, apologized to Kimi about the situation at Woking because he recognized and we all know, that the team let Kimi down with reliability and had it been a better team - which it is actually today - then the Finn would have won more races and definitely the 2005 world title.
Who is Kimi? He is a very underrated driver unless you take the time to actually study him. And in my view it will always be with deep regret he was at least not at Spa last weekend as the reigning Spa-meister that he is.
Like a driver will ALWAYS be happy when he sees a rival retire during a race, I am also always happy when that happens and benefits the driver I support.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
But of you mean actually CRASH! - then of course like all racing fans I do not want a rival driver to be injured or worse. But if he crashes out and it is not something serious enough to injure then I love the sight!
ALLS fair in both love and war!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86456
"Some suggestions have pointed towards a harsh punishment for Ferrari – which will include both drivers and team losing their points from the German Grand Prix. Should that happen, then it is likely the matter will head for the law courts."
Which is what I said a month ago.
BTW, I practice law. If I had to defend Ferrari I would have used the same defence stated in the report.
If the FIA do not wish to face a legal action in the civil court, then they will not find Ferrari guilty of anything.
Scusi, I should have said that if the FIA do not wish to lose a legal action in a civil court, then they will have to find Ferrari not guilty of anything.
Weird logic! Why would the FIA not want to face Ferrari in a court of law?!Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Do you believe that a court of law would not see that Ferrari have broken the rules?
BTW, Ferrari should think about how the ones involved in a legal action in a court of law are risking to go to jail in case they try to lie like they did to the media after the German GP!
The conclusion is that Ferrari have everything to lose in case they start a legal case against the FIA and Todt and his good friend Mosley are more than aware of this.
Ha! Nothing is going to happen to Ferrari. Todt doesn't have the balls to take away championship points from the grid's most illustrious team. I think that Ferrari should be banned from the next race, but that's not going to happen. All Ferrari are getting is a slap on the wrist.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
I guess you didn't watch the Belgian GP. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
There is a very tricky situation that exists ahead of tomorrow which is why there is literally a TEAM of legal people in Paris from Ferrari.
First of all it will not be a court of law and therefore there is no oath taken. This allows people to change their story or explain what happened and primary in this is both Massa and Smedley.
The basic question is whether both the above indivividuals wish to continue working at Ferrari beyond 2011.
At the foundation of the issue rests a teams right - and a we are all aware, this is unalienable and is not compromised by the rule set out by the FIA.
This will too be argued - and it is deliberate that the rule has this loophole.
Additionally there is the issue of strategy versus team orders - which can this be categorized as?
Another issue is why the rule is in place to begin with? Proper fans understand what has always occurred and why it does in racing. Casual fans react emotionally and are swayed by the press.
Unfortunately the motor racing media are of the recent generation in many cases and react emotionalistically.
If the reaction of fans is the reason for the rule - then the rule is not pertinent because undermining the right of Ferrari as the rule does is morally and philosophically incorrect. The fan does not count in this regard because it cannot as they have no right to anything in motor racing. They are outside observers - regardless of anything.
And everyone in f1 understands this which is why there was been essentially tepid reaction from pitlane. Clearly people such as Horner, Brawn and Whitmarsh would like to see a significant modification of this incipid and obnoxious rule.
I think that is what will occur and will make those who love and cherish this magnificent sport happy not to have another civil war break out.
It is also pertinent that this hearing is occurring literally a couple of days ahead of the Italian Grand Prix, not by accident - it sends a signal that the issue will be dealt with reasonably and without upsetting the new strong man in f1, Luca di Montezemolo.
Ridiculous notions of banning Ferrari or acting in draconian fashion towards the team is not probable.
It is like the story of King Solomon and the two women each wanting the baby for themselves - the one that really loved the baby did not want to see the child destroyed.
And so it is with fans. Those who love and cherish f1 strongly desire not for Ferrari to be hurt, but for the rule to be altered to take account of strategy as well as recognize the right of racing teams.
Tomorrow not only Ferrari will be the affected party, but so will ALL in f1.