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Ogier wont choose Ford, last year all that talk was only a strategy to make Citroen open their pockets to keep him. I think he would rather be one year without competing and take a VW seat for 2013.
However Citroen might be risking to much on Loeb, he's not getting any younger and I think two seasons is too much, plus if they loose Ogier they might never get him back.
Vatanen cools Ogier to leave Citoen rumours, translated from Finnish so the Finns might have a better translate than Google
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All I could determine from that article is that Google hasn't figured out how to translate Finnish. Words out of order in a sentence can be figured out, but that was just a mash of nonsense.
I don't know a lick of Finnish but looking at the original site at least informs me Kim Vatanen is some kind of Finnish manager for Ogier.
And for some reason the original mention of Mikko Hirvonen is translated to Petter Solberg.
Yeah, today Kim Vatanen (Ogier's manager) has told finnish site mtv3.fi that Ogier will stay in Citroen and he hopes that Ford will get their act together.
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...illa-jatketaan
However the phrase 'näillä näkymin' in the interview suggests that at the moment continuing with Citroen next year is a likely option but that it still hasn´t been agreed on -> therefore the cards could still be on the table. And so does suggest this comment from Ogier in Germany (from Autosport):
"If there is a new policy of team orders, I want to know so I am able to make a decision.”
i cannot see any other realistic solution than staying with citroen until his contract expires... and i do not think that Citroen will use him as a sidekick to Loeb next year if he has a strong start, it could harm everyone if they do. Loebs legacy would be put to question, citroens legitimacy as a team would be jeopardised and Ogier stock will fall.
Ogiers options are limited for now, the wisest thing is to just wait focus on his driving and be the natural substitue when Loeb retires or sooner if he can manage it.
It makes you wonder how much his contract actually means if he can decide whether or not to stay with Citroen for next year or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
Ogier knows how to win rallies. He's hungry, and he wants his first championship now. But if they favour Loeb, which is I guess what Loebs new contract states, then he may walk? If Loebs contract does say that and ogier stays, I can see more fireworks happening in the team!
Remains to be seen, how free the competition inside the team will be in the future. But reading this interview, sounds as if the bigger boss(es) have already decided that nothing will come in the way of Loeb:
Jean-Marc Gales Q & A: Why Citroen needs Sebastien Loeb - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
If Citroen is thinking of leaving the WRC after Loeb has retired, then of course it doesn´t matter much who drives the other car for the next two seasons. But if they plan to stick around long-term and keep their level in the future as well then they should think about Ogier a bit as well, not just the 2012 and 2013 titles with Loeb.
Thats a point, would citroen be reluctant to stay in the WRC if they dont have loeb driving for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
I'd love to know what sold more cars, WRC or Le Mans :)
Citroen don't need Ogier or Quesnel.
Loeb wins 2 more titles with Citroen
Quesel leaves at end of 2011.
Citroen pull out of rally end of 2013.
PSA chiefs don't care about Ogier.
Take a look at this vote :arrow: QUESTION DU JOUR - La question du Mardi 23 août - Sébastien Ogier doit-il être sanctionné par Citroën pour son comportement lors du rallye d'Allemagne? - L'EQUIPE.FR
QUESTION OF THE DAY:
Sébastien Ogier must be sanctioned by Citroen for his behavior during the Rally of Germany?
Have your say.
People don't get, that Ogier is the best thing that have happened for WRC in many years. Imagine no Ogier! Most boring season ever. Let them fight!
you are right to a point, but Ogier needs to learn that his job is to drive, not to talk, he comes across as arrogant and disrespectful to all around him. He makes himself very hard to like, in fact I have followed rallying since the late 70s and he and Duval are the only 2 that come to mind that I would say I dislike!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundgaard
Well, Nornbugger. I agree with Duval. But Ogier is different. Ogier is a real character and not a pr machine. When he is not winning he is furious, and that is the way it should be. Mikko and Jari are to much like "Oh, well...next rally".
And Ogier knows he has a chance to beat the greatest driver of all time.
I think Ogier is getting similar criticism that Hamilton also got/gets in F1...two highly skilled, passionate guys who love doing what they do but sometimes open mouths before thinking of the consequences. But both sports would be poorer if they weren't around.
I'd take an Ogier over a J-ML or Sordo every time
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he has, but he could do it with more grace, he is a hugely talented driver, his drive last weekend was incredible, very few thought he could take Loeb on on German tar, but IMHO he doesnt come across as a person I'd like to be around
A few vocal hotheads are as much a part of the sport as understated Finns.
thats where you are wrong, Ogier is one of the nicest guys that I have met.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
i think if Ogier was at ford and was losing as much as the finns do then he would also get that losers mentality, its normal. Ogier is in a winning team and wants to win everything..once you taste the win so often you become greedy...on the other hand if you lose almost always wityh hands down as the fins at ford then you get used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundgaard
I think the whole Loeb-Ogier-Citroen story is not that serious in reality, but the media who are used to dramas from the F1 inflate it, and the M-sport/Ford driven/sponsoerd media will keep it in context for long time because that is a good way to cover their failure.
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Originally Posted by MJW
I'd be happy to be wrong on this, I havent met him yet, but I can say that I dont think he comes across well
Nope, we are still here but there are better places to follow Kimi's rally career, without all of the patronizing and cynicism.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Autosport is just printing their annual Kimi bash. They claim that the Robetsons are looking around in F1, but there has been a few Finnish articles stating that the Robertsons aren't even Kimi's managers anymore. :rolleyes:
Hopefully one day they would do a leading article about the teammate feud at Citroen.
NZ driver Emma Gilmour is set to at least test for VW before Wales Rally GB, potentially competing in a Skoda S2000 car for the VW team. This reduces the chances of a British national getting a drive as Volkswagen evaluate drivers for their future WRC campaign. VW team boss, Nissen, said that it was an international team and that they would look at anyone who is considered fast and of an advantage to the team, not about idealistic national goals.
It's pretty poor journalism. But why are we surprised, it is Autosport, who lost the plot years ago - and are a mainly F1 mag. Basically, the way I read the article was that " Kimi is too good for WRC, and should be back in the Pinnacle of Motorsport - F1"Quote:
Originally Posted by Boudica
Also, when was the last time they had Loeb on the front, and had in depth analysis of him? There is a huge story with the Loeb/Ogier rivalry and yet they talk/beg Kimi to come back 'home'. Absolute rubbish......
Is there an article around about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Livewireshock
Would think if she is getting a test Paddon would be on the list to test also.
VW may enter F1? :arrow: www.autoracing1.com/rumors.asp%3Ftid%3D10428+More+evidence+VW+may+ente r+F1%3F+...+appointed+as+head+of+the+scheme+overse eing+the+Polo+R+WRC+car,+according+to+German+publi cation+Motorsport+Aktuell.&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=n l&source=www.google.nl]AutoRacing1.com - Rumors Page[/url]
why would a guy who was appointed at the R A L L Y department of VW would be considered as a move towards F1 ???Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
Bear in mind, that this is a Rumor.
But as the old saying goes - in every rumor lies a piece of truth.
Description (of the website itself- upper mid part)
A rumor rated as 'speculation' is one that has no supporting information
A rumor rated as 'strong' is one where we received information from more than one source.
A rumor rated as 'fact' is one that has proven to be true
A rumor rated as 'false' is one that has proven to be false based on new information
This one is rated as 'speculation', but isn't it how all starts, nowdays. ;)
yes...the question remains....the guy was appointed at the rally section of VW not a secrect project, not a track project....so how is this related to F1 ?
The article says it all why:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
More evidence VW may enter F1? Willy Rampf, former Technical Director at the Sauber F1 team, has been recruited as Technical Director by Volkswagen Motorsport. The German, who left the Hinwil team last year to be replaced by James Key, will oversee VW’s World Rally project.
Now 58, Rampf has been appointed as head of the scheme overseeing the Polo R WRC car, according to German publication Motorsport Aktuell. He will be working alongside Francois-Xavier Demaison, Chief Engineer.
The new commitment is not a rallying first for Rampf, who headed up BMW’s Dakar motorcycle project at the end of the 1990s.
the article says that an ex-F1 guy is appointed to a RALLY programme ....
Is this evidence that WV going to F1 ???
Its like saying that when David richards went to honda team in F1 that this was evidence that honda would go to WRC......is this logical to you ???
What? Oh... yeah, got it.
You think, they're going to shout out loud if they're up to something.
You are looking for conspiracy.
Why it has to be a secret project.
Isn't there a hint of secrecy yet.
Then again, it is a - RUMOUR, Watson! ;)
Not good, we all saw what happened to Subaru after 2004 i think it was when they hired F1 engineers...
they joined F1 ??Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
A rumour is always a rumour, the thing is when we read something like that which has no substance or real evidence it good to think about it before posting it....Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
... Go and tell the site in question (in this case),Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
to close the rumors section, because you have made a point that,
they should think first before write a rumor.
They/I have posted the truth.
The truth is, that someone has said/write this.
Not to be confused with the other truth - whether it is true. Neither I,
nor any of the readers may know that (I guess).
Elementary, my dear Watson ;)
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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
F1 switched to a gravel format to accommodate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
F1 2011 - Red Bull demo at the Circuit of the Americas - Coulthard on the dirt track - YouTube
i accept that, all i am saying is that before we actually post something in here we should think if the source is actually legitimate...because a rumour is not very far from junk news.... which is not nice.
got that sherlock ??
Wow this is amazing. I think she would be great in the WRC. I suspect Paddon is getting his hooks in elsewhere and will probably test one of the British WRC cars (ford, mini).Quote:
Originally Posted by MR666
Does Gilmour have more $$$$ than Paddon?
I did not have much faith in Paddon but he proved me wrong...he is very fast and would be nice to get a chance in a WRC.