Mobile phones & tablets thread

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Originally Posted by henners88

No need to be sarcastic and disrespectful. I wasn't using that tone with you thank you very much, just giving my opinion. I am by no means an expert and have not tried to give that impression.

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Relax dude, it was a harmless joke. No need to take it too seriously. While my posts may seem condescending, I don't have evil intent. :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

Now you have told me they work for Google and are working on developing the new Android OS, I must admit I am quite surprised to hear they are rather anti Apple in general and don't use Mac's in their daily work. That is a surprise. :eek:

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Well, Qualcomm could be a possible customer to Apple in the future. :D

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Originally Posted by henners88

I did realise that yes and I think we've discussed the many patent battles between the two companies on here in the past. I'm well aware Apple funded development done by Samsung. I am also aware that Samsung no longer develop the touchscreens for Apple and the new iPhone will have its screen manufactured and developed by 'Sharp'. Sorry if I gave you the impression I thought Apple invented the 'Application'. You must have a very low opinion of my intelligence level.

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I might have made the mistake of generalizing again, as I once had a conversation with an Apple fanboy who told me how Android was a rip-off of "Apple" and that they also stole the idea of mobile apps that Apple "invented". :(

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

The point is that the majority of iPhone lovers...don't know, care or bother about what's inside their phone as long as it works...

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And that's a bad thing because...?

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Relax dude, it was a harmless joke. No need to take it too seriously. While my posts may seem condescending, I don't have evil intent. :)



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Well, Qualcomm could be a possible customer to Apple in the future. :D



I might have made the mistake of generalizing again, as I once had a conversation with an Apple fanboy who told me how Android was a rip-off of "Apple" and that they also stole the idea of mobile apps that Apple "invented". :(

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Android is not a more rip off of iphones then iphones are rip offs of Palm pilots.
Apple took a concept (palm pilots with touch screens) and made it better. Now HTC/Samsung/Google have improved the concept further.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Again, I must live in a parallel universe. The 10-15 programmers I know (one of them works for Qualcomm in San Diego, CA, one for Google in Bangalore and some others for bioinformatics companies) are not Mac fans whatsoever. It is from talking with them that I got this "anti-Apple" attitude. :p

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A classis quote. You have become an Apple hater primarily due to your limited association with other Apple haters. :laugh:

Having spent a number of years self employed in the sign industry, your statements concerning the graphics field are flat out wrong. The field has for years been dominated by Apple.

Being that you are basing your dislike on second hand information, it's no surprise that you don't understand that hardware specs alone don't create a great system. I've built PCs for decades now, and have seen supposed inferior hardware and software vastly outperform the "better" alternatives. The same often applies to phones. The only true test is a side by side comparison, and most often you find that neither is superior in all aspects.

The market volume alone speaks for Apple. You can hate them all you want, as your opinion isn't hurting their bottom line in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by henners88

That still doesn't answer my question as to why I can't install the latest Android OS on my phone though does it? I'm sure ice cream sandwich is great, but my phone which is as powerful as an iPhone 4 can't run it due to inferior hardware! The problem with Android is the sheer amount of companies making phones with so many different specs. Phones are quickly outdated and developers push the software towards the higher end of the market. That doesn't help people like me who have phones that are 18 months old and stuck on older versions of the software.

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I'm in danger of repeating myself, but I will anyway. Like I said before, Android requires slightly better hardware to work, because of how customizable it really is, and how many options you have to play around with compared to the iOS 5.

There are mods based off of Android 4.0 ICS, especially one called Cyanogen - CyanogenMod | Android Community Rom based on Ice Cream Sandwich - something like this BTW will NEVER be possible on an iPhone.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You are right nobody stops Apple producing more devices but it would be a little stupid to keep releasing phones at extra development cost if the present ones are selling in the millions and as popular as ever. Its clear Apple don't need to produce more devices to compete, because they are controlling the market with what you believe are inferior devices. Sounds like a pretty sound business model to me.

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They were forced to rush the iPhone 4S though because of Android's rapidly increasing popularity.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm not pretending to have an answer for the future. An Apple executive poked fun the other day at the spec of the S3 and said the iPhone 5 will be better. Whether or not that is true, I do not know at this stage of course. It could be a marketing ploy, or it may mean Samsung will release the S4 quicker than they hope to.

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If the iPhone 5 is better than the S3 and is around the same price range, I'll be HIGHLY surprised. If the specs are even equal, I expect it to be at least $200 to $300 more expensive.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You also keep making the point that Apple add $200 to the price, but can you please give an example of when they have done this with the last 5 versions of their iPhone? Every release is priced the same as the outgoing model and this has already been pointed out to you by Mark the forum administrator. Its a valid point, and what you are claiming there is completely and utterly false Captain I'm afraid.

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Really? I wasn't talking about iPhones, but Apple as a whole. Their products are ridiculously overpriced. Take this Macbook Pro as an example - Amazon.com: Apple MacBook Pro MD103LL/A 15.4-Inch Laptop (NEWEST VERSION): Computers & Accessories

If you select the 750 GB option, the price increases to $400. WTF? $400 for a 250 GB increase?? A 500 GB notebook hard drive costs no more than $80. Why does the hard drive (with half the space) on a Macbook cost 10 times as much?!? Is there gold lining in the hard drive which helps it to not crash? :)

So far NOBODY in this whole thread has actually been able to give valid reasons apart from "convenience" and "ease of use" to explain Apple charging ridiculous premium for inferior hardware. Like I gave links to the Dell XPS and Macbook before, with an $800 difference for inferior hardware, EVEN if the Dell hard drive failures (which for me it hasn't ever in a decade), I can change it 10 times and still come $100 cheaper than the Macbook. :)

At the same price, a laptop will run circles around the Macbook, also run applications faster and smoother than the Macbook. Not to mention the fact that there are twice the number of applications available for Windows. Plus, probably 3 out of 10 respectable game developers actually make a game for Mac. You can check the ratio of games produced for PC and Mac.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't believe for a second many people are not aware of the Android OS. It may be very different in India, but every UK high street has a series of Phone Shops that fill their windows full of adverts pushing Android, iPhone you name it. Our national papers usually contained at least 6 major adverts and pullout phone magazines. We are also a nation that get bombarded with cold calls selling us such services, so in the UK, Android is very popular and very well publicized. I would imagine many here who live in the Uk would agree with me on that too. Elsewhere may be very different but I don't see why we would be targeted anymore than other countries when we are a country of avid mobile phone users.

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Most of the folks I know that bought iPhones, first of all purely as a fashion accessory to not lose face in society, second, were unsure about Android or said that the interface seemed "confusing" to them. The female friend with the kid that I talked about earlier, bought the iPhone because she thought the Samsung had inferior hardware, and it would stop working or break, maybe because they're "Chinese". :roflmao:

And this I'm talking about from personal experience living for short, but valid periods of time in India, USA, UK, France and now Romania.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

And that's a bad thing because...?

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...it gives Apple free rein to charge ridiculous premium for inferior hardware.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

And that's a bad thing because...?

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think about for a while, how would you react if you were to buy a car, lets say a KIA, and the price`was the same as for a Rolls Royce. How would you react to that?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

A classis quote. You have become an Apple hater primarily due to your limited association with other Apple haters. :laugh:

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Boy, we can take things seriously. Is putting smileys at the end no more a valid expression to indicate that was a "joke"?? Probably not.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Having spent a number of years self employed in the sign industry, your statements concerning the graphics field are flat out wrong. The field has for years been dominated by Apple.

Being that you are basing your dislike on second hand information, it's no surprise that you don't understand that hardware specs alone don't create a great system. I've built PCs for decades now, and have seen supposed inferior hardware and software vastly outperform the "better" alternatives. The same often applies to phones. The only true test is a side by side comparison, and most often you find that neither is superior in all aspects.

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What utter crap. First of all, my opinion is based on personal and work experience, not "second hand" information as you have very naively assumed. The talk with programmers and "Apple hate" was an obvious joke. I have for years now worked as a graphic-web designer and a video editor. I have designed several websites, and also designed the website for my own online business (links I can't give because of privacy reasons). I've hand coded CSS, HTML and javascript and worked mainly with Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver etc. and have intermittently used everything in the Adobe CS for the past 8 years.

First of all, Apple does not dominate the field, that's utter bull crap. It depends on the place you work at, whether the company decides to install PC or Mac. Apple uses subset PC hardware for Macs, and so ATI and Nvidia graphic cards on both PC and Mac are technically exactly the same, even if Apple would like you to believe that their motherboards are superior. You can have better hardware on PC for lesser, and that is what a design suite needs, good hardware. The number of production houses and graphic design companies I've worked at, had Macs for video editing (only for Final Cut Pro) and PCs for everything else, which was the sensible thing to do.

Second, with PC, you get variety of options with spec, price, quality and a number of different vendors, you have many options, whereas for Mac you have very limited options, and if it ever goes tits up, you only have one vendor to repair it. Have you tried changing a component like a hard drive or a graphic card on a Mac? With PCs you can constantly upgrade every 6 months, nobody stops you. And not to mention the most obvious fact, Macs are ridiculously expensive.

If you were to make a website for example, whether it's heavy and feature rich, uses a lot of Flash or is light is irrelevant, you will most likely use the Adobe Suite to do it, and both PC and Mac will get it done. The difference is that for the price of a Mac, you will build a much, MUCH faster PC which will get the job done faster. This I have experienced myself as I have worked both on Mac and PC. What I have found with Macs is the transitions are smoother, because of the way their OS works and is designed, which gives the impression it is smoother, but that doesn't make it faster. Stuff like final rendering of HD videos or animations take the same amount of time on a Mac as it would on a similarly speced PC, and this I have witnessed "first hand" working as a video editor myself and sitting next to 3D modelers and animators.

In the field of designing and video/audio editing, whichever software you're using, it takes the same amount of time to process. It's true in the case of video editing, whether you're using Adobe Premiere on PC or Final Cut Pro on Mac or in the case of audio editing, whether you're using Sound Forge or Audacity or Acid Pro or Soundbooth. A lot depends on processing power and especially for all the applications included in the Adobe CS, they'll only go as fast as the hardware allows, so the use of Mac OS X or Windows 7 for designing purposes is irrelevant.

Some companies might go with Apple for their offices, because of "convenience" or "ease of use" and the fact that Apple's corporate customers enjoy better customer and technical support. That doesn't change the fact that for the price of a Mac, the PC you'll build will always be superior and for a lot of other media publishing houses, who know what to do with their computers, PC is always the first choice.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

The market volume alone speaks for Apple. You can hate them all you want, as your opinion isn't hurting their bottom line in the slightest.

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Are you sure about that?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._pie_chart.png

It will be a LOT of decades until Apple actually becomes a serious contender to Microsoft's domination of the computer world. It was and always will remain a luxury brand, not for serious computing IMO.

Also, it's pretty childish to assume that I would think me slandering Apple is gonna affect their sales. WTF? If I wanted to do that, I'd stand with a placard outside their headquarters, not post on a motorsport "discussion" forum. :p

Probably this image explains my point in more detail :D

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Sorry, couldn't resist. Was too funny not to post. :laugh:

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