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24th November 2016, 16:00
dimviii

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Originally Posted by itix

I am not a suspension expert... Also i can't possibly be asked to judge performance from a video.

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you haven't got to be a ''suspension expert'' to see difference at videos, between c3 vs yaris vs polo 2017 vs Hyundai 2017.
24th November 2016, 16:03
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Rally Power

Nice example Sulland! Didn't Rossi took with him his tech guru? It'd would be even more amazing to see Ogier and VW's tech chief Demaison together in Toyota!

design has been done from months.Demaison if wants to change something at yaris design cant do it now.He can help,but not at the point you mean.
24th November 2016, 16:07
pantealex

Tommi is still at Japan.
Jarmo Lehtinen just came back from Australia, confirmed that Ogier drove yesterday but did´t say anything about else about that test. No comment was answer about JML/AM testing car.

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000004880271.html
24th November 2016, 16:11
EstWRC

thank god now itix and rallyper can sleep in peace!
24th November 2016, 16:22
rogef

Plus one more video of the Yaris test in the last days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1lV...I&spfreload=10

Credits: RacingBits
24th November 2016, 16:33
AL14

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

thank god now itix and rallyper can sleep in peace!

Poor Itix. :D
He said more than once that he wasn't doubtful about him to be Ogier but about the fact that he made such comments about suspensions publicy and that there wasn't strong sources to confirm it.
There is nothing wrong in what he said imho. And that article still don't confirm if Ogier said such things in public or not. (or at least it seems but google translate from finnish is awful).
24th November 2016, 16:53
pantealex

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

Poor Itix. :D
He said more than once that he wasn't doubtful about him to be Ogier but about the fact that he made such comments about suspensions publicy and that there wasn't strong sources to confirm it.
There is nothing wrong in what he said imho. And that article still don't confirm if Ogier said such things in public or not. (or at least it seems but google translate from finnish is awful).

I believe that Ogier said same as Jarmo Lehtinen: No comment.
24th November 2016, 17:42
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

thank god now itix and rallyper can sleep in peace!

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24th November 2016, 18:19
itix

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

Poor Itix. :D
He said more than once that he wasn't doubtful about him to be Ogier but about the fact that he made such comments about suspensions publicy and that there wasn't strong sources to confirm it.
There is nothing wrong in what he said imho. And that article still don't confirm if Ogier said such things in public or not. (or at least it seems but google translate from finnish is awful).

Eh well... it happens, I don't always read every post 100% correct :)
I guess we have a credible source if Lehtinen says it was him driving. I call it credible anyway. If that was Ogier it doesn't bode well for that car. It was oversteering and understeering everywhere and he if anyone should be able to make a car drive straight!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

you haven't got to be a ''suspension expert'' to see difference at videos, between c3 vs yaris vs polo 2017 vs Hyundai 2017.

Well... I am in no way qualified to make a judgement just from looking at the car in some videos. You maybe feel that you are, likely others too, but I for sure am not.
24th November 2016, 18:29
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by itix

If that was Ogier it doesn't bode well for that car. It was oversteering and understeering everywhere and he if anyone should be able to make a car drive straight!.

finally you can feel some differences,even you are not a ''suspension expert''

Quote:

Originally Posted by itix

Well... I am in no way qualified to make a judgement just from looking at the car in some videos. You maybe feel that you are, likely others too, but I for sure am not.

now again you cant judge from videos...
24th November 2016, 18:33
Sulland

Why do the other teams not to use the light or gyro sensor VW uses in the front?

Or do they get the same data recorded from other sensors?
24th November 2016, 18:39
Hartusvuori

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

thank god now itix and rallyper can sleep in peace!

Jarmo Lehtinen didn't comfirm it's Ogier on the Youtube video - the nightmare continues! ;-)
24th November 2016, 18:55
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

Why do the other teams not to use the light or gyro sensor VW uses in the front?

Or do they get the same data recorded from other sensors?

They do but You don't need it everytime and not all tests are captured on photos/videos.

The other option is for example radar sensor but it looks nearly same, just doesn't make the light trace on the ground.
24th November 2016, 19:12
stefanvv

Or perhaps it is just not visible under '17 car's front bumper.
24th November 2016, 20:52
smsgrafica

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Dark & reflective windows, riiiiight. What for all the secrecy when he is openly telling about the test to the press? Isn't smelling something here?

Well, Ogier is still under contract with VW until further notice. He may have the 'ok' to test other cars, but just having to make sure he isn't seen driving.
24th November 2016, 20:57
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Well, Ogier is still under contract with VW until further notice. He may have the 'ok' to test other cars, but just having to make sure he isn't seen driving.

I haven't read his contract, can't tell.
24th November 2016, 21:03
smsgrafica

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

I haven't read his contract, can't tell.

Well, officially he hasn't terminated his contract, so officially he shouldn't be seen driving another car.
24th November 2016, 21:07
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Well, Ogier is still under contract with VW until further notice. He may have the 'ok' to test other cars, but just having to make sure he isn't seen driving.

Plausible deniability. If it's necessary You can deny that anything happened. Better to be prepared.
24th November 2016, 21:11
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Well, officially he hasn't terminated his contract, so officially he shouldn't be seen driving another car.

He is officially under contract next year as well. Will we see batmobile on the wrc tracks if he wants to compete? Who will get the trophies?
24th November 2016, 21:22
Franky

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

He is officially under contract next year as well. Will we see batmobile on the wrc tracks if he wants to compete? Who will get the trophies?

Mr. O and Mr. I get the trophies incase the Batmobile wins
24th November 2016, 21:23
smsgrafica

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

He is officially under contract next year as well. Will we see batmobile on the wrc tracks if he wants to compete? Who will get the trophies?

You're just not making any sense now and I think my time would be better invested by staring at an empty wall, than talking to you any further...
24th November 2016, 21:30
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

You're just not making any sense now and I think my time would be better invested by staring at an empty wall, than talking to you any further...

Great! Stare at the wall, I'll just wait for some official announcement.
24th November 2016, 21:40
A FONDO

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

He is officially under contract next year as well. Will we see batmobile on the wrc tracks if he wants to compete? Who will get the trophies?

http://rs169.pbsrc.com/albums/u233/o...u/lol.gif~c200

I hope danon will come up with something
24th November 2016, 21:43
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

I hope danon will come up with something

I hope as well.
24th November 2016, 22:02
itix

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

finally you can feel some differences,even you are not a ''suspension expert''

now again you cant judge from videos...

Suspension is more than oversteer and understeer. Compression, rebound, body roll, unsprung weight, anti-roll bar stiffness etc etc... the aspects are a million and I can't possibly be the judge of what is better or worse.

I can tell when a car is over or understeering, that's not difficult... the rest however is for a real expert.
24th November 2016, 22:03
itix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

Jarmo Lehtinen didn't comfirm it's Ogier on the Youtube video - the nightmare continues! ;-)

Hahaha... how will I get any sleep tonight?
24th November 2016, 22:05
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by itix

how will I get any sleep tonight?

Couple of drinks will do.
24th November 2016, 22:10
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by itix

Suspension is more than oversteer and understeer. Compression, rebound, body roll, unsprung weight, anti-roll bar stiffness etc etc... the aspects are a million and I can't possibly be the judge of what is better or worse.

I will have a headache. Can't be much more simple like "uni-steer"?
25th November 2016, 11:37
tomhlord

Sweet Lamb today - https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/sta...14175799558144
25th November 2016, 11:42
Lundefaret

Quote:

Originally Posted by itix

Suspension is more than oversteer and understeer. Compression, rebound, body roll, unsprung weight, anti-roll bar stiffness etc etc... the aspects are a million and I can't possibly be the judge of what is better or worse.

I can tell when a car is over or understeering, that's not difficult... the rest however is for a real expert.

If you systemise everything you mentioned, you would have a very good basis to make an analysis :)
25th November 2016, 11:44
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

If you systemise everything you mentioned, you would have a very good basis to make an analysis :)

If You are able of that You are an expert or at least close to being an expert ;)
25th November 2016, 11:53
tomhlord

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomhlord

Sweet Lamb today - https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/sta...14175799558144

Now Walters.

Can't wait to see some footage.
25th November 2016, 12:01
bassist

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Originally Posted by tomhlord

Now Walters.

Can't wait to see some footage.

Bugger- its only over the bloody road!
25th November 2016, 12:41
spyros

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomhlord

Now Walters.

Can't wait to see some footage.

what ever the outcome, we'll know what team has the better car for next season before monte ever starts!
25th November 2016, 12:59
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyros

what ever the outcome, we'll know what team has the better car for next season before monte ever starts!

I do not think Ogier will say which car is better.

Plus it is evident that the toyota is nothing.
25th November 2016, 13:08
AL14

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

I do not think Ogier will say which car is better.

Plus it is evident that the toyota is nothing.

He is referring to the fact that the car he will choose will be the best since he will have tried all of them. Not that he will say it.

Anyway I doubt that Hyundai and Citroen will give him the car before having an agreement.
25th November 2016, 13:14
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

He is referring to the fact that the car he will choose will be the best since he will have tried all of them. Not that he will say it.

Anyway I doubt that Hyundai and Citroen will give him the car before having an agreement.

he will not try all of them.
25th November 2016, 13:27
EstWRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyHHGxQWIAAIXZe.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyHHGxSWgAAxHQ5.jpg

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
From @markrally on site at Walters. @SebOgier has just left in MW's Range Rover. Understanding is test went wel
25th November 2016, 13:34
tomhlord

Quick video from Mark James of the Ogier M-Sport test - https://twitter.com/markrally/status/802143447696211968
25th November 2016, 13:59
A FONDO

Quote:

@SebOgier has just left in MW's Range Rover.

All windows tinted I suppose :D

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